NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

**Bama83** · 06-16-2010, 11:33 AM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by kazo0

I really doubt that the animators who worked on the User Controlled Celebrations are the same people as the programmers working on AI. I'm not saying I expect the AI to be any better this year but I don't think User Controlled Celebrations is to blame for that...

Nothing against you, but I am so sick of this comment.

Look, any given game is a project. As a project you are given a budget to pay for and hire resources.

So, let's not look at this as "programmers" vs "animators". Let's look at it as an allocation of resources (ie budget). So, when you break it all down, the resources spent on silly celebrations took resources that could have been used to tweak/test the AI further.

I personally don't mind having some new celebrations that we can control, it's just a fun little addition.

It's a pointless addition that takes away from the realism. Again, if there are "over-the-top" Madden celebrations - then this game took a step away from sim.

I *DARE* an NHL player to Superman down the ice and see what happens during his next shift.

**bh446066** · 06-16-2010, 11:36 AM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

I don't recall seeing anywhere that you would be required to use them? I would think a user controlled celebration would be very applicable on a game winning goal. I'm going to quote the movie 'Stripes' now...."Lighten up, Francis."

**Bama83** · 06-16-2010, 11:45 AM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by bh446066

I don't recall seeing anywhere that you would be required to use them?

But I'm required to watch OTHERS use them, including the computer.

I would think a user controlled celebration would be very applicable on a game winning goal. I'm going to quote the movie 'Stripes' now...."Lighten up, Francis."

This is coming from the guy that prefers to AMP up the hitting to maximum.

Obviously we like two different things in our sport gaming experience. I prefer realism and simulation. Neither is right or wrong, it's just what we prefer. This type of feature lands SOLIDLY on the arcade side of things and does nothing but destroy the sim experience.

**bh446066** · 06-16-2010, 11:49 AM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Neither is right or wrong but you're jumping my as$, huh? So sorry for preferring a different play style than you.

And by the way, you're just whining. All of these things you're complaining about can either be not used, or controlled in the settings menu. If you want a sim experience online, just join a sim league. I'm sure there will be several of them on this site alone.

**kazo0** · 06-16-2010, 11:49 AM

I didn't think about it like that, that makes sense. I still don't think it really hindered their progress with the AI though.

It's all opinions, I really don't see the harm in adding a few celebrations, just don't use them if you don't want to. You have to watch the other team celebrate anyway, user controlled or not, just like NHL 10 and NHL 09 and the ones before that. I don't see a big difference

Qb · 06-16-2010, 11:50 AM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Please respect each other and no backhanded pot-shots, please.

**kazo0** · 06-16-2010, 12:11 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

I agree that it could make the goals feel a tiny bit arcade-like but I think it would also add a realistic element to the game.

Like you said:
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Originally posted by Bama83

I *DARE* an NHL player to Superman down the ice and see what happens during his next shift.

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It's happened before, mind you it will of course happen more often in NHL 11, and it will happen again.

Just look at Milan Hejduk's goal celebration, (it won't let me add a youtube link in my post).

And yes just like in the NHL, when you're playing OTP or 1v1, and you get scored on and this guy starts pulling off a flamboyant goal celebration to get under your skin and annoy you, you can take that as an excuse to go out and dish some big hits to make him regret it and send your own message across.

**baa7** · 06-16-2010, 12:26 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by Qb

Please respect each other and no backhanded pot-shots, please.

Telling someone they're whining isn't back-handed, it's a full-blown fist in the face.

As for celebrations, in FIFA, your player runs around like an idiot after a goal. And while you don't have to push one of the celebration buttons, it looks pretty darn stupid if you don't. So if they plan on doing the same thing with this game, then I can see it being an issue for those who don't want this feature.

**Victory23** · 06-16-2010, 12:28 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by baa7

Telling someone they're whining isn't back-handed, it's a full-blown fist in the face.

As for celebrations, in FIFA, your player runs around like an idiot after a goal. And while you don't have to push one of the celebration buttons, it looks pretty darn stupid if you don't. So if they plan on doing the same thing with this game, then I can see it being an issue for those who don't want this feature.

Not if you cancel the celebration.

**UwantRadie** · 06-16-2010, 12:43 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by Qb

Please respect each other and no backhanded pot-shots, please.

Yeah.. what do you think this is an internet Forum or something?

Kidding... Thankfully this isnt GameFaqs... I would be required to donate my first child to them for making such a joke (havent been there in a few years, maybe they got better?).

Anyway... as for the goal celebrations... I just hope the AI is smart about choosing the right one for the situation.

Everyone keeps saying that the "superman" celebration is non-sim, but it can be in the right situation. I mean.. are you going to tell me that you have never seen a superman celebration in real life? It happens after OT winners ALL THE TIME... Just usually a teammate or the boards get in the way before a player is really "flying".

I really hope the triggers activate situation-specific celebrations... Like LT+Button is a mild celebration, just the Buttons is a regular one, and the RT is a more dramatic one.. that is only available on BIG goals.

Either way, the WHOLE TEAM (on the ice) must get together at some point IN EACH CELEBRATION!

I am a BIG sim guy myself and while not crazy about the celebrations idea, I am really sick of the same old stuff.. If they are comical, I will just button skip past it. Besides, this games real nemsis to the sim community is FAR WORSE...

GET RID OF STUPID EQUIPMENT IN EASHL!!!! PLEASE!

It was ridiculous to watch guys skate circles around my team all because we refused to cheat and buy equipment.

One game we lost was a 3-0 shutout... all 3 goals were scored by the other team in the same fashion... Faceoff in their zone, we win the faceoff, but their players were so fast that they would intercept the puck BEFORE IT EVEN GOT BACK TO THE DEFENSEMAN, they would zip past the D (who would be getting into position to grab the puck) and come in on a breakaway.

PLEASE GET RID OF THE CHEATING EQUIPMENT!!!

And if you use the cheating equipment, you can just shut up with any complaints elsewhere about the game being sim.

Expand on the attribute point award system. You should be rewarded for playing the game.. not paying it.

It should be noted that I have ZERO problem with games offering paid boosts for single player game, but not competative games. If FPS games can resist the temptation of that for this long.. then it makes me sick to my stomach that a sports game... something that should be so pure... is leading the way down this dangerous path.

That equipment really hurt the value of the game. I played hundreds of games on NHL 10 and it would have been A LOT more if the EASHL was wasnt such a joke.

**UwantRadie** · 06-16-2010, 12:49 PM

Re: IGN Hands-On (E3) Impressions

Originally posted by Bama83

User Controled Goal celebrations has me completely turned off now.

If I ever saw a guy slide head first, superman style, as a celebration ... I would personally kick his teeth in.

I bet you wouldnt if the game was over and his goal was a game winner in OT.

Plus... not sure if you are aware of this but... kicking people in the teeth with skates on makes baby Jesus cry... just sayin'

But seriously, Like I said before.. there is room for more flair in the celebrations without making it unrealistic.. Lets just hope that is the aim... I fear that it is not. But I will hold my judgment until I see and play it.

**UwantRadie** · 06-16-2010, 12:50 PM

Re: IGN Hands-On (E3) Impressions

Originally posted by SwinginAs12

Set to launch on SEPTEMBER 14th!? what the..

Wasnt that when last years game came out? I think it is pretty standard..

I but a lot of games on their launch days (including virtually every sports title) so I forget exactly, but a month before the regular season sounds about right to me.

But where was this info found? And why the surprise expression?

**Bama83** · 06-16-2010, 01:16 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by bh446066

Neither is right or wrong but you're jumping my as$, huh? So sorry for preferring a different play style than you.

Never once did I "jump your anything". I think what you read was read using your own filter.

That's why I went into the whole bit about wanting different things from sports games and neither being right or wrong. Please reread and take off the "anger glasses".

And by the way, you're just whining. All of these things you're complaining about can either be not used, or controlled in the settings menu. If you want a sim experience online, just join a sim league. I'm sure there will be several of them on this site alone.

Although I do appreciate the lesson on how to utilize the options menu and what leagues I can join - what it was lacking in thoughtful insight it made up for in condescension and unneeded sarcasm.

With that said - maybe I am simply whining - or perhaps I see the beginnings of what ruined Madden/NCAA for me.

Things like "Celebrate with the Mascot" and whatnot. No one asked for it, no one would get away with it in real life and it was just obnoxious online.

EA has a bad track record of overdoing new "cute" features. So, I don't expect an entire library of celebrations to be less than obnoxious.

While you defend this innane addition, I'll gear up to expect seeing the Superman ice flying celebration on every glitch goal scored by the twitch-kiddies.

**Bama83** · 06-16-2010, 01:27 PM

Re: IGN Hands-On (E3) Impressions

Originally posted by UwantRadie

I bet you wouldnt if the game was over and his goal was a game winner in OT.

True. OT celebrations tend to be over the top for a couple reasons:
1) After an exhausting game it's nice to win; and more importantly
2) You don't take another shift.

If you took another shift against a team with any gumption, you'd taste powdered enamel.

Plus... not sure if you are aware of this but... kicking people in the teeth with skates on makes baby Jesus cry... just sayin'

Like I said - kick + face. I'm a bit of a Prongling goon kind of guy.

But seriously, Like I said before.. there is room for more flair in the celebrations without making it unrealistic.. Lets just hope that is the aim... I fear that it is not. But I will hold my judgment until I see and play it.

That's my fear. EA's track record tends to make me think it'll be foolish.

**pf8363** · 06-16-2010, 02:03 PM

Re: NHL 11 Hands-On E3 Impressions (IGN)

Originally posted by Bama83

I *DARE* an NHL player to Superman down the ice and see what happens during his next shift.

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