Saving The Big XII...

[Perfect Zero]

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I haven't a clue why everybody hates the Big XII. I mean, I hate Texas with a passion, but they played the game in a way that nobody else saw coming. The PAC-10 wouldn't have given them what they are making for themselves. Now they have an option to make money hand over fist for themselves and damn everybody else.

Even with the subtraction of Nebraska and Colorado, the Big XII still has the big four and lots of action. It's going to make for good football people.

[bh446066]

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It's obvious to me, after watching this show, that the powers that be will do anything to keep the current BCS system in place. It appears more and more to me that all of this was posturing on Texas' part to get the $$$ they wanted, plus all their concessions (Longhorn Network).

This TV network deal (ABC/ESPN) is going require fans of the Big 12 to buy the Game Plan package to see their games, as FSN will be out of the picture. Dan Beebe, one of the BCS's loudest mouthpieces, got his way, as did Texas AD Dodds. It really is all about the money and they don't seem to care at all about the greater good of the sport from a fan's perspective. Realignment would have starting pushing CFB towards a playoff, and now that has been averted. This makes me want to root against Texas now.

[bh446066]

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So now that the Big 12 isn't the Big 12, and we've seen how Texas can pretty much dictate what and who goes where...

Do we rename this new league...

"The Southwest Big 10 sponsored by the University of Texas"?

Or perhaps "The Big 2...with 8 other guys"?

Or maybe "Texas and the 9 Dwarfs"?

I think it's more applicable to rename the conferences by the current TV deals they have.

Ex: Pac 10 FSN ?? million per school Conference.

[Rocky]

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I understand that TCU would add some more interest for the Big XII but Texas already owns the state of Texas. They OWN the Ft. Worth market. What does adding TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston or UTEP add to the conference. It would be of great financial benefit for TCU to join the Big XII because of the revenue package... but on the flip-side if they are getting their brains beat in by Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas A&M weekly.... well they basically just become Baylor. Right now TCU is doing well in recruiting battles because they are top dog in a mediocre league and winning. And get this straight... they are getting the left-overs that don't wan to go to Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Oklahoma. They finished #46 in recruiting last year behind Houston and Baylor.

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What?

TCU is two touchdowns better than A&M and has been for the past 5 years. They have been better than Tech for the most part too. In a down year, they might even be better than Texas and/or Oklahoma.

It has nothing to do with recruiting battles and every thing to do with Patterson being the head coach and finding diamonds in the rough and putting those guys in a position to win.

[Perfect Zero]

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It's obvious to me, after watching this show, that the powers that be will do anything to keep the current BCS system in place. It appears more and more to me that all of this was posturing on Texas' part to get the $$$ they wanted, plus all their concessions (Longhorn Network).

This TV network deal (ABC/ESPN) is going require fans of the Big 12 to buy the Game Plan package to see their games, as FSN will be out of the picture. Dan Beebe, one of the BCS's loudest mouthpieces, got his way, as did Texas AD Dodds. It really is all about the money and they don't seem to care at all about the greater good of the sport from a fan's perspective. Realignment would have starting pushing CFB towards a playoff, and now that has been averted. This makes me want to root against Texas now.

Not a chance. With sixteen team conferences, the commissioners would say that the regular season acts as a playoff because these teams have to play the best year in and year out. I wish people would just face the facts and understand that a playoff system just isn't coming anytime in the future. None of this would have changed the BCS.

[jhawkmike]

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I'm glad that there will no longer be a north and south division. I never liked the unbalanced schedules.

I also don't have a problem with Texas (and others) getting bigger pieces of the pie. Seems reasonable being that they are the ones, with their large markets, that most increase the size of the pie.

Texas has a population of 25 million and it is growing faster than any other state in the US. So even if their network doesn't have national appeal, it could still be very successful. If you added up the populations of all the Big 10 states, you'd probably get about 60 million people. So maybe the Texas network makes 40% of what the Big 10 network brings in, but Texas doesn't have to split it with 9 other schools.

[TheGamingChef]

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I'm glad that there will no longer be a north and south division. I never liked the unbalanced schedules.

I also don't have a problem with Texas (and others) getting bigger pieces of the pie. Seems reasonable being that they are the ones, with their large markets, that most increase the size of the pie.

Texas has a population of 25 million and it is growing faster than any other state in the US. So even if their network doesn't have national appeal, it could still be very successful. If you added up the populations of all the Big 10 states, you'd probably get about 60 million people. So maybe the Texas network makes 40% of what the Big 10 network brings in, but Texas doesn't have to split it with 9 other schools.

The population of all nine states with Big Ten teams is close to 70 million. However, only one state in the Big Ten (Pennsylvania) has even half the population of Texas. I see the Texas Network being a good thing for UT.

[Cebby]

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The population of all nine states with Big Ten teams is close to 70 million. However, only one state in the Big Ten (Pennsylvania) has even half the population of Texas. I see the Texas Network being a good thing for UT.

There's one slight difference between the BTN and the alleged Texas network.

The BTN can show live football and basketball games while the Texas network can't show football games and probably only very limited basketball games.

Even if they get on basic cable in Texas (which is a pretty huge if), they won't make anywhere near the Big 10's per subscriber money.

[ZB9]

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One of the main factors in this whole deal was ESPN. They didn't want to see their precious SEC product get any competition from a PAC16 Fox sports deal.

Texas and OU were happy to see ESPN take that seat at the poker table

[MWillard2]

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[Dr Death]

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Great job. That made me laugh!

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[FAIRDALE_KINGS]

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From Clay Travis (former CBS Sports writer)

Conference realignment died because the Texas football program is made up of cowards who are aware that the Longhorns program can't compete at the top levels of the SEC or the Pac-10. That's what your takeaway from the past two weeks of conference realignment really needs to be. Yep, the state that values masculine swagger more than any other in the nation features a top football program that is yella.

All hat, no cattle.

The Longhorns had offers to move on to compete with top echelon talent in the SEC and the Pac-10. Instead, like recalcitrant female cattle, they balked, choosing to remain in a weakenedBig 12 that is minus two of the traditional powers in the league.

How bad is Texas' schedule now even with a round-robin nine-game slate to come in 2012? It's likely the Longhorns will have one top 25 conference game a season, the annual Texas-Oklahoma tussle in October. Meaning Texas will try and back door its way into the BCS title game each season by avoiding challenges rather than competing with the best in college football.

If Sam Houston had known the cowardice of the Longhorns in 2010, he would have forgotten the Alamo.

What's more, while Texas is a coward in the larger universe of college football, the Longhorns are a bully in their own conference, the equivalent of a mob boss extracting loyalty payments from the five weakest members. Why did Texas (along with Oklahoma and Texas A&M) take a larger share of contractual payouts owed by Colorado and Nebraska for leaving the conference?

Because it could.

But that's how bullies always behave, right?

They beat up on the weak and then get their asses kicked or turn tail when someone steps to them. Ask Colt McCoy and Texas about that. The Longhorns quarterback threw for 4 billion yards in his career against the sisters of the poor defenses in the Big 12. He lasted for less than a full quarter against an SEC defense. Yep, the SEC and the Pac-10 would have been the barbed wire to Texas' BCS title dreams.

And that's what the Longhorns feared more than anything. Once it joined the SEC or the Pac-10, Texas is just another program, packing a six-shooter with no bullets. Waving that gun around in the air and yelling ain't scaring away Marcell Dareus on the blitz. He's calling your bluff and slapping you with your own empty gun. People might start to realize that for all the swagger, the Longhorns have just one national title in the past 39 years, nearly two generations of failing to capture the ultimate prize. They might also realize that most years, Texas can't even get past Oklahoma, the overrated team you've last seen being stomped by whatever opponent the Sooners draw in the BCS games, title or otherwise.

That's because when it comes to Texas football, the perception of success is much greater than the reality of success. Hell, give Texas credit though, at least it's the best of a bad lot. What can you say for Oklahoma or Texas A&M? Two ostensible rival schools that had the opportunity to prove they could stand on their own in the new world order of college athletics and instead hid behind Texas' skirt. In Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare wrote during his famous balcony scene, "It is the East and Juliet is the sun!" If the bard dove into the mess that is the Big 12, he could adopt the same phraseology, "It is the Big 12 and Texas is the sun!"

Because never in the history of college athletics has one program so dominated the puny conference sisters it surrounds itself with. Texas is not just the sun, but the moon and the stars, while the rest of the teams in the conference are its piddling orbiting satellites. It's only a matter of time, one would think, before the Longhorns demand the gate for games they play on the other school's campus.

That's what mob bosses do, they take and take and take until someone kills them.

You think anyone in the Big 12 has the stones to step to Texas?

Hell no.

And if you've cast your conference lot with a program that doubles as the sun, moon and stars, it might be worth asking how you ever compete with that school. Do you think Texas is ever losing a recruit to a program that voluntarily turned over its millions so you could continue to be extorted in the future? Does the mob boss have a smaller house than the poor schmuck he takes down for more money? Those are rhetorical questions. And there's your answer right there, every other school in the conference has no desire to be number one. They're just comfortable basking in the penumbra of Texas' exaggerated greatness.

Of course, the ultimate irony of this entire mess is that the joke is on all college football fans. All of us, the poor sots who tramp to our respective campuses each week in an effort to determine the best team in the nation. Because we've actually created a BCS system that encourages bullying cowardice like Texas'. Instead of forcing the best to compete and crowning a champion on the field by rewarding the two best teams, we've created a system where avoiding challenges and beating up on weaker programs gives you an automatic invite to the BCS title game.

How else to explain Texas and Oklahoma appearing in six BCS title games between them and racking up a bully-like 2-4 record with an average margin of defeat of more than 18 points in those games? Texas isn't just a coward, it is gaming the system, rigging the results to allow it a position it can't earn on the field.

In the end we're left with only one conclusion: Deep in the heart of Texas lives a football program of cowards.

Time for a new burnt orange slogan:

Hook 'em ... unless you can run and hide from 'em.

[Perfect Zero]

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Tough cookies Travis. Why on earth would Texas want to move anyways? When this whole re-alignment thing started, we were all told that it was about the money. It didn't change to Texas not wanting to play the big boys; it's still about the money. Texas gets more money that it could have ever dreamed for in the PAC, and they are not going to have to waste the money that they would have had in a "PAC-16" by not flying to Seatle for every sport ever invented. That isn't cowardly, that's being smart.

The Star- Telegram had a story about the Aggies saving the Big XII. I don't really buy that, but the last part was interesting when it talked about Jerry Jones wanting his Razorbacks to be back with the old boys of the Southwestern Conference. I'm sure he still wants the Championship game to be played at Jerryworld, so I'm sure two more teams will eventually be in the mix.

[coogrfan]

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That was one of the most inane pieces of trash I've ever had the misfortune to read. No wonder Travis is a former CBS Sports writer.

[jhawkmike]

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This Clay Travis guy is just an idiot. There are so many inaccuracies and exaggerations in that article that I don't even know where to begin. The most blatantly stupid thing he says is that Texas will likely play just one top 25 conference game per season. Eight of the ten remaining teams in the Big 12 have been ranked in the top 25 at some point in the last 3 years. Five of them have been ranked in the top 5 at some point in the last 3 years.

If Colt McCoy hadn't gotten injured, Texas probably beats Alabama. They almost did without him.