MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

[JaSnake16]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

OK guys. There is a delay (no kidding). Sims are not giving optimum results. I personally love Razr's edits and they play great IMO. Just last night I actually PLAYED a game utilizing Ross Ohlendorf (me) vs. Ricky Nolasco. The results of the played game were, in my mind, fantastic (I use PB's sliders, HOF pitching with Razr's stamina reccommendations for anyone wondering). This is what Razr was shooting for and, as always, has come up huge big time.

This brings me to this conclusion, we release the set as is because there is a good portion of everyone that likes everything about V3, myself included. Then I apply, as I stated before, Bahnzo's DB stamina to the STARTERS only and see if there is an applicable difference sim wise. Mine, and TD's, feeling is that there will be. My knowledge is that sims are not affected by sliders. They are for gameplay only, simming just basically crunches numbers with variables (in this case the ratings). Lower rated stamina on pitchers, our theory is, is making them get pulled from SIMMED games much sooner then they actually would in real life. They also probably "lose affectiveness" in sims much sooner as well (the variable numbers, like a die shift (LOL) in board games probably go towards the offensive team, if you catch my drift). This may be leading to the obscure sim numbers TD has been seeing. For those that would like this, sliders would then have to be readjusted for played games. Dont know how much, Im sure one of the slider guys could chime in on that.

Any thoughts, opinions???

[ajf718]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

OK guys. There is a delay (no kidding). Sims are not giving optimum results. I personally love Razr's edits and they play great IMO. Just last night I actually PLAYED a game utilizing Ross Ohlendorf (me) vs. Ricky Nolasco. The results of the played game were, in my mind, fantastic (I use PB's sliders, HOF pitching with Razr's stamina reccommendations for anyone wondering). This is what Razr was shooting for and, as always, has come up huge big time.

This brings me to this conclusion, we release the set as is because there is a good portion of everyone that likes everything about V3, myself included. Then I apply, as I stated before, Bahnzo's DB stamina to the STARTERS only and see if there is an applicable difference sim wise. Mine, and TD's, feeling is that there will be. My knowledge is that sims are not affected by sliders. They are for gameplay only, simming just basically crunches numbers with variables (in this case the ratings). Lower rated stamina on pitchers, our theory is, is making them get pulled from SIMMED games much sooner then they actually would in real life. They also probably "lose affectiveness" in sims much sooner as well (the variable numbers, like a die shift (LOL) in board games probably go towards the offensive team, if you catch my drift). This may be leading to the obscure sim numbers TD has been seeing. For those that would like this, sliders would then have to be readjusted for played games. Dont know how much, Im sure one of the slider guys could chime in on that.

Any thoughts, opinions???

razor edits are fine. Jasnake will you keep us update with V4 release.

[Dean3790]

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I have been saying that for a few days now JaSnake. There is a serious problem with sim results. I think it may have to do with sliders too, because I know the Injury Frequency slider affects simmed games, so maybe stamina sliders do too? RAZR has stated that he doesn't care about simmed stats but clearly a lot of us do and it's sort of unfair to cater the entire roster to people who only play quick games and don't want a realistic franchise.

[tbbucsfan001]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

OK guys. There is a delay (no kidding). Sims are not giving optimum results. I personally love Razr's edits and they play great IMO. Just last night I actually PLAYED a game utilizing Ross Ohlendorf (me) vs. Ricky Nolasco. The results of the played game were, in my mind, fantastic (I use PB's sliders, HOF pitching with Razr's stamina reccommendations for anyone wondering). This is what Razr was shooting for and, as always, has come up huge big time.

This brings me to this conclusion, we release the set as is because there is a good portion of everyone that likes everything about V3, myself included. Then I apply, as I stated before, Bahnzo's DB stamina to the STARTERS only and see if there is an applicable difference sim wise. Mine, and TD's, feeling is that there will be. My knowledge is that sims are not affected by sliders. They are for gameplay only, simming just basically crunches numbers with variables (in this case the ratings). Lower rated stamina on pitchers, our theory is, is making them get pulled from SIMMED games much sooner then they actually would in real life. They also probably "lose affectiveness" in sims much sooner as well (the variable numbers, like a die shift (LOL) in board games probably go towards the offensive team, if you catch my drift). This may be leading to the obscure sim numbers TD has been seeing. For those that would like this, sliders would then have to be readjusted for played games. Dont know how much, Im sure one of the slider guys could chime in on that.

Any thoughts, opinions???

How long is the delay?

[Phillies2010]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

I hope all of this can be fixed soon, I am really excited to start my franchise with these awesome rosters
Please keep us updated Ja

[Jamal G.]

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I say to release it now because as you stated, the majority is fine with the stamina ratings as is. It's great that you guys are willing to work on it and tweak it afterwards, but since most of us here have had no issues with the stamina ratings, I think the roster set should be released.

[xNobleEaglex]

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Yeah I definitely think the best way to go about it is release v4 as is with the stamina formula because it seems it works well for people who play every game (like me ). Then a v4.1 for the people that sim more often with Bahnzo's roster tool staminas.

[FrenchDavid]

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If stamina is a problem and sim results aren't realistic, that will make V4 a roster that is not adequate for franchise play. It could be great for other game modes, but honestly, I'm waiting for V4 to play a franchise and have the most realistic experiment I could have in that game mode.

If you tell me that V2 is better suited for franchise play and V4 is better for RTTS play or exhibition play for instance, I'll follow those advices, but I'd like to know what is the version of OSFM rosters that will give me the most realistic experience in franchise.

I think it is the case for many other players, who have to sim games in franchise as well.

[JaSnake16]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

razor edits are fine. Jasnake will you keep us update with V4 release.

How long is the delay?

Not to be rude guys, but cmon. We are trying to provide the most optimal product that the community will be happy with. All things being equal nearly all of the inputting was finished by this past Sunday, touch ups are pretty much ongoing since TD is working on the file now but the testing has not gone as we wished and we are hoping that that can be resolved one way or another fairly quickly. I have continually updated on the progress since the get and will continue to do so.

[FrenchDavid]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

Yeah I definitely think the best way to go about it is release v4 as is with the stamina formula because it seems it works well for people who play every game (like me ). Then a v4.1 for the people that sim more often with Bahnzo's roster tool staminas.

Even if you play every game your team play, you won't play every game of every team, thus there will be simulated games no matter what, and league stats might not be realistic because of that.

[MatthewYung]

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Ja Snake sorry to be pushy, but is it optimal that the roster is released 2nite?? and thnxs again for these rosters

[ltw0303cavs]

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I agree with Pope, TD's testing is much appreciated but its always going to have those little nuances. I would just release and worse comes to worse, we can always adjust on our own. This way you cover the people that play and then with your version, the sim fans.

[Cubit]

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I'm leaning towards just saying release it, but I'm curious: How far off are the simmed stats? Are they still within the realm of possibility, or way off the charts?

[xNobleEaglex]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

Even if you play every game your team play, you won't play every game of every team, thus there will be simulated games no matter what, and league stats might not be realistic because of that.

like I said before, I haven't had any sim problems with the v3 edits. I'm 30 games into a Rays chise with v3, and if anything so far teams are actually pitching too well. I'm 10th in the AL in team era with a 4.40.

[Who_Dey_91]

Re: MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v.3

Ja Snake sorry to be pushy, but is it optimal that the roster is released 2nite?? and thnxs again for these rosters

Geez seriously!!?? these guys have been working every day on a roster that they could JUST be using for themselves and not releasing to the public, but they're not. They're nice enough to give it out to other players and i'm sure they would appreciate it if you guys just let them do what they have to to get it done. It's hard to come by a group of guys that will do this for the community. I've been excited for this as well, but i don't care if they accidently run into a problem. It would be different if these guys were paid to do this, but they do it for free. so geez guys, just wait and i'm sure they'll try their best to update you. They don't need a "how long till they're released" question every couple of posts.