7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

[rEAnimator]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite Video (Gamespot)

rEAnimator thanks for your time on here you seem to be on top of things and I like where you guys are going with elite this year.

One small thing that bothers me though is the animation you have for a player picking up or going to retrieve a ball is really bad. Just look in this 7 min vid, it's to quick and not very natrual. I've done alot of shooting ball on the court by my self and rarely do I run and bend down with two hands really quick to get the ball. Most of the time I reach with one hand grab the ball as its bouncing and in the same motion start the dribble or if it's low to the ground I might slap it a few quick times to get the dribble going, and some guy's may reach down and palm it.

Just some thought's on a small but annoying issue to me.

I know exactly what you mean.

Something to keep in mind is that the animations we're using are generally meant for a full 5v5 game, not for a casual shoot around. As a result, they probably look more intense than they should for a shoot around situation.

The other thing to consider is that the user has full control over the player picking up the ball so as programmers on the game we can't dictate where/when the pickup will happen, that's up to the user. I mean we could, but then the controls could start to feel inconsistent. This again goes to that trade off between look and feel in the game.

So what we do is make the best of the situation and have pickup animations that work at any height, or maybe use IK to get the hands into the right position to pick up the ball.

I like the idea of the low quick slap dribbles to get the ball going, as long as your player is still under your control, although I'm picturing something a little more intense that would match the urgency of a full 5v5 game.

It's not likely something we'll get to this year, but would be a nice touch to add for next year.

Thanks.

[parkinson]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite Video (Gamespot)

Very nice and quite impressive. But can you devs fix the weird lay up motion after up and under from at 05:35? It's good to hear ea adding many post moves. Concerning about their unnatural motion.

[clivo1050]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite Video (Gamespot)

rEAnimator,

thanks for all the great feedback so far. Elite is shaping up to be a solid sim bball game. I just have two questions.

1. Are you guys working on smoothing out the animations? This has been a sore spot on nba live for as long as I can remember and something the competition has been doing better.

2. Are you planning on using the new physics system for ball/rim interactions? If not, will this area be significantly tweaked? Live has never had realistic looking ball/rim interactions.

[Jano]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite Video (Gamespot)

Thanks for the info and its nice to know little problems like that can be fixed gives me a lot of hope for this year.

I'm not as worried about nagging problems being as much of an issue due to the fact that the technology allows for quicker fixes. One thing that had me a little worried is that this years game would feel incomplete due to their being a new system in place.

Here's to hoping that everything comes together well b/c if it does I think you guys will be able to deliver a great basketball game in Elite 11.

[rEAnimator]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite Video (Gamespot)

rEAnimator,

thanks for all the great feedback so far. Elite is shaping up to be a solid sim bball game. I just have two questions.

1. Are you guys working on smoothing out the animations? This has been a sore spot on nba live for as long as I can remember and something the competition has been doing better.

2. Are you planning on using the new physics system for ball/rim interactions? If not, will this area be significantly tweaked? Live has never had realistic looking ball/rim interactions.

1. Yes, and comparing this years game to last years game I know we're in good shape on this front. We may have some sliding feet issues to sort out before we ship, but our animations and transitions this year are pretty smooth already. Much better than last year.

2. Ball/rim isn't as much of a focus no. We're focusing on player/player physics and keeping the ball loose and free to be influenced by physics in as many situations as possible. Ball/rim physics have been tweaked a little from last year, but it hasn't been the focus.

[mz3v3ry504]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

Love the new control scheme...it's just beautiful but on the flip side i hate the player models...they just don't look right to me for some reason everyone seems so small.......

[dat swag]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

My question is about the all important FATIGUE...Will Fatigue play a factor online and in games versus opponents???

It would be disappointing to have players going 100mph for 4 straight quarters

[rEAnimator]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

My question is about the all important FATIGUE...Will Fatigue play a factor online and in games versus opponents???

It would be disappointing to have players going 100mph for 4 straight quarters

Yes, fatigue will be a factor.

The guy who sits beside me was testing out some fatigue stuff today, and he sat there for 3 minutes running the player around in circles to get him tired enough to test.

It was funny to watch

[kumamae_33]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

How about the rules??? Like clear path fouls, traveling, jumpball calls, & kickball? Coz in Live 10 they don't have it. And it's possible now to draw a charging foul above the restricted area?

[CS10029]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

This game is shaping up pretty damn good so far. I swear once I knew the NHL guy was on this it was gonna be great. The control will make for such a more intense game. I play NHL almost everyday still, and if I can get that value out of Elite I will be thrilled.'

EDIT- Oh, and if you keep feeding the the fish by answering questions you'll never have time to work. People with those headband color questions and whether someones laces are the right color, it's the epitome of infinity.

Just kidding, thanks for being incredibly informative.

[rEAnimator]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

How about the rules??? Like clear path fouls, traveling, jumpball calls, & kickball? Coz in Live 10 they don't have it. And it's possible now to draw a charging foul above the restricted area?

What about up and down? I'm surprised no one has asked that question yet.

Since the shot is entirely under your control what happens if you don't release the ball? That's right, it's up and down and you get called for traveling.

It's a small thing but I love that about the game. Makes those situations where you're contested on a shot and you think you might get blocked that much more stressful.

[blingballa333]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

What about up and down? I'm surprised no one has asked that question yet.

Since the shot is entirely under your control what happens if you don't release the ball? That's right, it's up and down and you get called for traveling.

It's a small thing but I love that about the game. Makes those situations where you're contested on a shot and you think you might get blocked that much more stressful.

That's nice, but are clear path fouls in this year? It was big problem in team play last year when a person would intentional foul somebody on the fastbreak to stop them from laying it in without the clear path foul penalty.

[Jano]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

This game is shaping up pretty damn good so far. I swear once I knew the NHL guy was on this it was gonna be great. The control will make for such a more intense game. I play NHL almost everyday still, and if I can get that value out of Elite I will be thrilled.

Its things like this that get me excited about playing Elite this year. If the controls are intuitive and the implementation of everything works out I can see myself playing this one for a while.

Even if the game lacks some signature moves I can deal with it if the gameplay is solid and fun to play. The features EA is trying to implement will give its gameplay longevity and that's something I feel is really lacking in the basketball games nowadays.

I just could not stomach bball games for too long these past few years, because there was always some problem that would eventually get to me and force me to stop playing altogether.

Hopefully this year both EA and 2K can bring back that longevity that was seen in games like 2K7 or Live 05..

[HoosierDaddy]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

That's nice, but are clear path fouls in this year? It was big problem in team play last year when a person would intentional foul somebody on the fastbreak to stop them from laying it in without the clear path foul penalty.

Lol connor would be laughing at this right now. We had a long discussion about this.

[ajknows]

Re: 7 Minute NBA Elite 11 Video (Gamespot)

What about fast breaks, players in year's past would pull up . Would be nice to see some good 3 on 1 plays instead of players running to a spot and stop.