Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

[canes21]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I'm a big Madden critic and I think its pretty clear Revis does plant the foot and turn, then jump. I guess I am seeing things...

[Skyboxer]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I'm a big Madden critic and I think its pretty clear Revis does plant the foot and turn, then jump. I guess I am seeing things...

No you're not....

[SincerelYourz]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

A few things about this post:

1: Speed Slider/option setting.

2: Check out this blog posting from last year - it's Bill Harris timing a Devin Hester real life run from Youtube and the result is around 4.35 or even faster to cover 40 yards.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2009/08/madden-10-slider-update-more.html

Keep in mind he's in pads, and not starting from a stationary position like in a 40 yard dash, and neither is Revis in this clip.

3: I actually broke out the stopwatch on Revis the same way Bill did, and got a pretty consistent 4.3 to cover 40 yards in this clip (I timed from the 50 to the 10, FYI).

Now...yes, he doesn't really slow down and (more importantly IMO), it's in the rain. But as for fatigue, do we know whether or not it was turned on for this E3 build? Probably should have been slower due to the rain, but I don't think that effect has ever been in Madden.

Revis does not have Hester's speed...not even close

[BezO]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I'm a big Madden critic and I think its pretty clear Revis does plant the foot and turn, then jump. I guess I am seeing things...

I wish the vid were a little clearer. I can't quite make out what his fee are doing. I'm looking more at his body. What I see is a sudden stop & spin in the opposite direction. No body lean... nothing to show him putting any effort towards stopping his momentum before the change in direction, and nothing to show him pushing off in the orther. And the direction change happens quicker than I'd want. From that, I get the STRONG impression his feet do nothing more than go from a running animation in one direction to a running animation in another.

[RaiderKtulu]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I'm a big Madden critic and I think its pretty clear Revis does plant the foot and turn, then jump. I guess I am seeing things...

I don't think he does, it looks like a 170 degree spin to me. But even if he does, there's still a few things horribly wrong.

A. He never looks back at the ball the entire time. Not once. You don't make a leaping catch on a ball you don't see.

B. After he changes direction, he takes TWO STEPS and then LEAPS at the 1 with enough force to land 3 yards into the endzone after the catch. No one gets that kind of distance on two steps.

The realistic version of that play ends with the ball landing about 5 yards into the endzone with Revis maybe flailing at it as it goes past him out of reach, and the TE probably just watching it hit the ground because he had no chance at it either.

[SincerelYourz]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

i thought locomotion was to correct this type of gameplay? i need more footage.

[canes21]

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I don't think he does, it looks like a 170 degree spin to me. But even if he does, there's still a few things horribly wrong.

A. He never looks back at the ball the entire time. Not once. You don't make a leaping catch on a ball you don't see.

B. After he changes direction, he takes TWO STEPS and then LEAPS at the 1 with enough force to land 3 yards into the endzone after the catch. No one gets that kind of distance on two steps.

The realistic version of that play ends with the ball landing about 5 yards into the endzone with Revis maybe flailing at it as it goes past him out of reach, and the TE probably just watching it hit the ground because he had no chance at it either.

Jumping 3 yards is no big feat at all, especially with a start. I can easily jump 9 feet standing still. Also, he does look at the ball. But he then turns his back to it. Thats just cosmetic though. The result of the play was realistic. If EA had a correct head tracking system and he turned the correct way, then the play might look a little better, but it would still be the same result. Out of all the Madden E3 videos, this one is really the only one I don't have a problem with.

No you're not....

Thank you for letting me know who I am and who I am not.

[RaiderKtulu]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

Jumping 3 yards is no big feat at all, especially with a start. I can easily jump 9 feet standing still. Also, he does look at the ball. But he then turns his back to it. <b>Thats just cosmetic though</b>. The result of the play was realistic. If EA had a correct head tracking system and he turned the correct way, then the play might look a little better, but it would still be the same result. Out of all the Madden E3 videos, this one is really the only one I don't have a problem with.


Thank you for letting me know who I am and who I am not.

Aren't the cosmetic issues what we want fixed though? I mean, hell, from a pure results standpoint, Madden isn't usually that far off. If that play looked right - it wouldn't piss people off. Proper head tracking and proper use of animations (or actual physics) would go a long way in turning "DAMN CPU CHEATING BS!!!* into "damn... nice play".

[canes21]

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It is definitely what we want, but I was getting the feeling most people were complaining about the result of the play. Comments like, "He turned 180 degrees on a dime..." make me think they don't just dislike how it looked, but they didn't see any slow down or anything and it disappointed them.

I personally think it was a realistic play for a video game. But if I were to critique it, I would have liked Revis to keep his body squared up to the QB, keep his head on the ball all time, get lower to turn around, then actually turn the correct way, and then explode for the jump.

One day we might get all that, but from what I have seen from Madden, this play has definitely been a better one in my eyes.

[bxgoods]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I'm a big Madden critic and I think its pretty clear Revis does plant the foot and turn, then jump. I guess I am seeing things...

Your not seeing things.

[SA1NT401]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

Maybe locomotion only comes into play when you are actually contolling the player....Then when your not, the CPU has them behave as normal....I am just not seeing much of an impact in the overall "FLOW' of the game than i was expecting. hardly noticable in any of the vids near as i can tell.

Seems as though locomotion reall only appears in extreme changes in direction.....IDK. Gameplay still looks the same overall as it has always looked to me.

[K_GUN]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

i wonder what a 'locomotion' slider would do....it seemed to work for a speed slider

[mr_president]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

same old madden. that play shows one of the many problems that plague this series,physics do not exist in madden.

when things like this happen it makes it hard for the you to make proper reads on the defense.

[BezO]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

Aren't the cosmetic issues what we want fixed though? I mean, hell, from a pure results standpoint, Madden isn't usually that far off. If that play looked right - it wouldn't piss people off. Proper head tracking and proper use of animations (or actual physics) would go a long way in turning "DAMN CPU CHEATING BS!!!* into "damn... nice play".

The head tracking is cosmetic only. I fully expect a DB in zone to have his head on a swivel and be able to react to that pass.

But the footwork. Though it is also cosmetic, Revis changes direction too quickly for my taste. If he has to plant, maybe even take another step to gather himself before changing direction, and take shorter, choppier steps when excelerating in the other direction, maybe he doesn't make that play.

[mojo6911]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Jets vs. Ravens - Revis Pick 6 (K0ACHK)

I don't think he does, it looks like a 170 degree spin to me. But even if he does, there's still a few things horribly wrong.

A. He never looks back at the ball the entire time. Not once. You don't make a leaping catch on a ball you don't see.

B. After he changes direction, he takes TWO STEPS and then LEAPS at the 1 with enough force to land 3 yards into the endzone after the catch. No one gets that kind of distance on two steps.

The realistic version of that play ends with the ball landing about 5 yards into the endzone with Revis maybe flailing at it as it goes past him out of reach, and the TE probably just watching it hit the ground because he had no chance at it either.

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. I see exactly what you see. He is on a full sprint in one direction towards the RB in the flat, not even looking at the ball, then stops,turns around about 170* to the left, and takes 3 steps and jumps higher than Michael Jordan perfect in position to catch the ball. Gimme a break. You can't turn your back to the ball (if he ever saw it to begin with) and time a jump to be in perfect position to intercept it like that.

Here are some real life examples:

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Notice he is looking in the backfield the whole time and is already square to the ball.

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This looks similar to the animation, but notice the CB doesn't change direction. He running the same direction the whole time and there is a good 3 seconds from the time he turns his back to the ball to the time he picks it off. The key is that he switched directions BEFORE the ball was in flight, not after it is already out of the QB's hands.