Madden NFL 11 Player Ratings: Top Players at Each Position (K0ACHK)

[YeahDonnie]

There should be a "whining like a bitch" rating and Tom Brady should get a 99.

[GreenReign86]

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The arguement on Favre taking less sacks then Rodgers is rather a weak one. Favre instead of getting hit just throws it up for grabs thus throwing a ton of INT's. Whereas, instead of risking it Rodgers takes the sack, as opposed to just throwing the ball wildly into the air hoping for a miracle. I would rather have a QB take a sack then throw an INT any day of the week. Oh, and it is a different OL the last couple seasons. Clifton, and Tauscher have both been hurt off and on. We have had guys like Allan Barbre start, it has been a total mess. Anyone that has watched the Packers the past 2 seasons knows that Rodgers has maybe 2-3 seconds to throw before he is on the ground or running for his life.

[Franchise-Star-21]

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First of all, Grant is a RB. But I was referring to a different delusional Packers fan with that comment.

Secondly, I don't really know what you are talking about with the Steelers downfall thing or how that had anything to do with my post.

Thirdly, I think your 'fact' being about the O-line is weak.

The 'Fact' is that Aaron Rodgers holds the ball too long. I've heard it about Big Ben for years, and when I watch Rodgers play I can't help but wonder why no one ever says it about him.

The 'worst offensive line' argument is weak because Brett Favre in '07 took a whopping 15 sacks on 550 dropbacks with basically the same group. The last time Brett took more than 26 sacks in Green Bay was 2000. That goes to show the right QB can make an offensive line look better or worse. The offensive linemen haven't really changed much since 2007, but went from allowing 15 sacks in 07 to 34 in 08 to 50 in 09.

Even back when Favre was in GB and Rodgers would play mop up every now and then he took sacks. He was sacked 13% of the time (9 times in 68 dropbacks) while Favre was there compared to Favre's 3%. The line did pretty good in pass protection with Favre in there, and as soon as a new QB comes in it turns into the worst line in the league?

I'm not saying it's a great offensive line, but Rodger's makes it look worse, and brings a lot of the hits on himself. His numbers are impressive, though, given that he is often under pressure, and I'm in no way saying that Rodgers isn't one of the top passers in the league.

The O-line arguement is not weak , not at all . Fact is, skill wise, it is not the same group . Tauscher and Clifton at RT and LT 3 years older and battered with injuries, is not the same, and not even talking about the young carousel they at at Gaurd and Center. So not the same.
Yes, Arod holds onto the ball a couple of times, but you cannot use that point and take away from the O-line.

Underneath Favre, Our O-Line was actually very good, Back with Ahman Green at RB, we had a top 5 OL at the time. But now it is a completely different story.

If you watch ANY packers game you would understand the situation. Up until maybe week 12, our OL was just terrible to be honest. Then they started getting it together "somewhat". But all in all, the OL is actually a very big difference.

But hey , even if "its the same line" ,
Arods 7 INT's vs. Favre's 29
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[steelers1]

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Yea I understand age and injuries take their toll, and it was pretty evident last season, but even going from allowing 15 sacks to 34 is significant, and that season didn't have near the injuries. I'm not saying Favre didn't sling up passes and I'm not saying Rodgers should start either. But he could throw the ball away and cut down on sacks and fumbles.

And I'm well aware most of Rodgers' sacks were probably caused by a lack of protection, but like many of the great 'ball holders of the NFL' (mainly Cassel, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger) they usually take at least one sack a game that they could have easily avoided. It's obviously impossible to know for sure, but I would bet that Peyton, Brees, or Brady behind that same line would have had 30 or less sacks last year.

It's Rodgers' playing style, and if the guy can take the beating and still perform at a high level and win games, then more power to him. It's just those pesky fumbles like in the playoffs last year that make you just want him to throw the ball away.

Just a note on Favre and his 29 pick season in 05... while blaming INTs on the O-line is about like blaming QBs for dropped passes, even if Favre had taken sacks instead of INTs he still would have only had 53 sacks. And it's not like Favre throws all his INTs trying to avoid sacks either; he just always is thinking "F it I'm goin' deep."

[rice_n_gravy]

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damn Favre had best season ever and his rating went down

[angels eclipse7]

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There should be a "whining like a bitch" rating and Tom Brady should get a 99.

Jealous of his success???

[KUSH N BLUNTS]

I'm glad to see Desean Jackson made the cut! Long Beach California! A few of my buddies got drafted this year although their rating is going to be somewhere around the 40's or 50's! Either way... I'm looking forward to it.

[king525]

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WOOHOO!! We have our usual representative among the game's top rated players. Brian Moorman FTW!!

omg you had me a tears. Made my day thanks

[Franchise-Star-21]

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Yea I understand age and injuries take their toll, and it was pretty evident last season, but even going from allowing 15 sacks to 34 is significant, and that season didn't have near the injuries. I'm not saying Favre didn't sling up passes and I'm not saying Rodgers should start either. But he could throw the ball away and cut down on sacks and fumbles.

And I'm well aware most of Rodgers' sacks were probably caused by a lack of protection, but like many of the great 'ball holders of the NFL' (mainly Cassel, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger) they usually take at least one sack a game that they could have easily avoided. It's obviously impossible to know for sure, but I would bet that Peyton, Brees, or Brady behind that same line would have had 30 or less sacks last year.

It's Rodgers' playing style, and if the guy can take the beating and still perform at a high level and win games, then more power to him. It's just those pesky fumbles like in the playoffs last year that make you just want him to throw the ball away.

Just a note on Favre and his 29 pick season in 05... while blaming INTs on the O-line is about like blaming QBs for dropped passes, even if Favre had taken sacks instead of INTs he still would have only had 53 sacks. And it's not like Favre throws all his INTs trying to avoid sacks either; he just always is thinking "F it I'm goin' deep."

Rodgers fumble in the playoffs last is in no way shape or form his fault.

Back again to the 0L

[salbowski]

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Rodgers fumble in the playoffs last is in no way shape or form his fault.

Back again to the 0L

How is it "in no way shape or form his fault". He didn't release the ball in time, he was hit, he fumbled.

The OL didn't hold on to the ball, the OL didn't hit him, the OL didn't fumble it and if I remember correctly, the play that caused the fumble was a blitz, Rodgers failed to read the blitz and held the ball too long, ergo SACK/FUMBLE.

Rodgers is an excellent QB but the guy has his faults like every other QB and to pretend that isn't the case is delusional. If you know your OL sucks so bad, as you say, why hold the ball so long?

It's basic- if a piece of wood will break if you stand on it for more than 2 seconds, then don't stand on it for more than 2 seconds or it will break.

[SouthernBrick]

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Rodgers fumble in the playoffs last is in no way shape or form his fault.

Back again to the 0L

It is what it is.

Bad O-line or not they're not the ones holding onto the ball. The O-line didn't fumble, Rodgers did and that is what happened. The whole he has a terrible O-line so blame that on his fumbling problem is a pretty lame excuse. At the end of the day the ball protection is Rodgers responsibility whether the O-line is horrible or not.

Edit: People blame Peterson for his fumbles when clearly the defender is striping him of the ball and forcing it out but, people still blame Peterson. It's because, ball protection is his responsibility no matter how the fumble happens just like it is for QB.

[steelers1]

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How is it "in no way shape or form his fault". He didn't release the ball in time, he was hit, he fumbled.

The OL didn't hold on to the ball, the OL didn't hit him, the OL didn't fumble it and if I remember correctly, the play that caused the fumble was a blitz, Rodgers failed to read the blitz and held the ball too long, ergo SACK/FUMBLE.

Rodgers is an excellent QB but the guy has his faults like every other QB and to pretend that isn't the case is delusional. If you know your OL sucks so bad, as you say, why hold the ball so long?

It's basic- if a piece of wood will break if you stand on it for more than 2 seconds, then don't stand on it for more than 2 seconds or it will break.

I agree. The protection was actually pretty decent for a blitz on that play. He had 3 seconds before he was hit. Rodgers should've seen the guy coming, too. I mean it wasn't from his blindside or anything.

Obviously Rodgers played great in that game, but to just pass all blame off on the O-line isn't right. Here's the highlights to that great game. Rodgers obviously played very well, but the Cards blitzed him all night and the offensive line actually played pretty well for the most part. So if you blame the O-line for the fumble, you gotta give 'em credit for a bunch of the big pass plays, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N_EmAeuvXU

[GreenReign86]

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It never should have been a fumble in the 1st damn place. Especially when you damn near have your head ripped off by your facemask as the ball is coming out.

Screw the refs, they have been responsible for every loss in Packers history.

[JBH3]

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Jason Peters is no longer a top10 LT?
Brent Celek is not a better TE than Heath Miller?

[salbowski]

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Jason Peters is no longer a top10 LT?
Brent Celek is not a better TE than Heath Miller?

You mean the Jason Peters that gave up 11.5 sacks in 13 games in 2008 and last year was graded as the worst at his position, according to Football Outsiders.
"It's a crime that Peters made the Pro Bowl in his first season with the Birds after signing a six-year, $60.657 million contract.
He led the team in penalties with 11, allowed 7 sacks and gave up four hurries. The Eagles sorely need Peters to improve his pass blocking no matter who is under center."


As far as Celek, I 100% agree with you.