Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

[warrior7807]

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I agree...I see it as Arcade crap honestly....so if i understand it correctly, its a POWER boost of sorts...Feed a player over and over they become better. I theory the concept makes sense, as player do get in the "ZONE', but how cheezy will the effect be....Thats what needs to be seen

aree. need to hear/ see more about it before i dismiss it completely

[REDRZA]

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You are right, stats don't always tell the story, in fact you can say sanchez is overated based on his stats, and you can say he is overated because of how people percieve he played. I've seen multiple Jet and Dolphin games both when they happened and on NFL replay when im bored, and if you think Sanchez was a better QB than Henne last year than you just arent watching, let alone ignoring stats.

Sanchez rarely has to make multiple reads when he throws, and he usually throws to short crosses and simple routes. He did not perform well when pressured in the pocket, hence 20 int on a RUNNING team, with a great defense. 20 int is bad for a QB on a passing team, but on team which predominately runs for manageable 3rd downs and short passing situations/ great play action? Thats awful. Buffalo game? WTF was that?

In the playoffs, they played the super deflated Bengals, who undeniabley had nothing in the tank after the emotional losses they delt with during the season. If anyone disagrees with that, than thats sad. Then the chargers who pull their usual choke-job in the playoffs, missing field goals and wasting their season. Against the colts the defense played a good first half, then Peyton took the training wheels off in the second half and tourched them. Sanchez was along for the ride, again making simple throws.

Did you guys watch the Dolphins/ Jets MNF game? Sanchez essentially made one difficult throw with the circus catch by Braylon Edwards, and dink and dunked the rest of the game. Henne looked like a franchise QB if you ask me, leading his team to the win in the 4th quarter with perfect throws and 4th down conversions, many on the run.

Furthermore i think its a crime that Matt Stafford is rated below the Sanchize, that kid similar stats for a god awful team, and got hammered game after game, and still managed to make plays. Not to mention his arm, and Henne's for that matter, are much stronger than Sanchez's.

Other Fin players they screwed up. Brian Hartline is MUCH faster than Bess, and actually according to 40 time faster than B. Marsh, yet he is rated 85. Camarillo had NO drops on 50 catches and earns an 83 catch? He is the definition of a possesion reciever, and they gave bess an 87 catch, when he dropped key catches and muffed punts last year. Tyler Thigpen worse than Pat White? Dont even have to say anything.

I mean do they even watch the games? Some of this crap isnt even that in depth its just dead wrong. Why dont they have guys more in depth to decide ratings?

Lets focus here, stop talking about last year. When i say i would rather have Sanchez over Henne, i'm not basing it over last years head to head stats, or when they played each other head to head, im saying that i believe that Sanchez is the better player, and will show that moving forward.

He DEFINATELY had great highs and lows, ups and downs. He was a ROOKIE. In fact, at USC, he made 3 starts as a sophomore, and started only his junior year in college. To come in and START for an NFL team with that little experience is unheard of. All i know is late in the season the kid made plays and got his team into the AFC Championship game. Now, he has the year of NFL experience Henne had going into last year. Now, he has more weapons on offense. Add Santonio Holmes, LT, and hopefully Dustin Keller gets better and makes strides, and the Jets offense will be alot better than it was last year.

[ramzes93]

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Lets focus here, stop talking about last year. When i say i would rather have Sanchez over Henne, i'm not basing it over last years head to head stats, or when they played each other head to head, im saying that i believe that Sanchez is the better player, and will show that moving forward.

He DEFINATELY had great highs and lows, ups and downs. He was a ROOKIE. In fact, at USC, he made 3 starts as a sophomore, and started only his junior year in college. To come in and START for an NFL team with that little experience is unheard of. All i know is late in the season the kid made plays and got his team into the AFC Championship game. Now, he has the year of NFL experience Henne had going into last year. Now, he has more weapons on offense. Add Santonio Holmes, LT, and hopefully Dustin Keller gets better and makes strides, and the Jets offense will be alot better than it was last year.

What im saying is if you base whos better off of last years play, from stats and what you see gametime, than Chad Henne is a better quarterback. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both started day one and had better years than Mark, its not that unheard of, although ill give that he came out of college to early. Well not for him i guess.

I just dont get why everyone is so in love with him. Its not like he has a rocket arm, i understand people being giddy about stafford because he can throw a mile, but he doesnt, and he played poorly in a simple offense. I only used last years MNF game as an example because it was a good point of comparison.

When i see people on ESPN talk about Sanchez they always say he has the "it" factor, which makes no sense to me. They just talk about how confident he is. Then they analyze Henne and show him standing in the pocket and delivering passes.

Thats why i dont get why people are so high on him, but i guess he is your teams starting QB so you have to have faith in him.

[REDRZA]

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What im saying is if you base whos better off of last years play, from stats and what you see gametime, than Chad Henne is a better quarterback. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both started day one and had better years than Mark, its not that unheard of, although ill give that he came out of college to early. Well not for him i guess.

I just dont get why everyone is so in love with him. Its not like he has a rocket arm, i understand people being giddy about stafford because he can throw a mile, but he doesnt, and he played poorly in a simple offense. I only used last years MNF game as an example because it was a good point of comparison.

When i see people on ESPN talk about Sanchez they always say he has the "it" factor, which makes no sense to me. They just talk about how confident he is. Then they analyze Henne and show him standing in the pocket and delivering passes.

Thats why i dont get why people are so high on him, but i guess he is your teams starting QB so you have to have faith in him.

Well whats funny is before and during the draft, during the whole off season, i felt kinda like you. I didn't see why the hype was so high for this kid. I didn't know what it was that everyone saw in him.

After watching him play though, he does have "it". "IT" is confidence, athleticism, he smart, good moving around and out of the pocket, and he has HEART. The Jets had a major issue with him because he was diving head first, and lowering his shoulder into hits. I'm not saying stat wise he had a great year, but the progress he made, the smarts he showed, and the fact he played smart when it counted was huge.

I fully realize the Jets had the number 1 defense, and number 1 run game. What they din't have was alot of options in the passing game. I love Cotchery, he's a great possession WR. Leon Washington was hurt early in the year. Braylon Edwards dropped a few passes, and to me, has never lived up to what he was supposed to be coming into the league, except for one good season in CLE.

This year, LT catching passes out of the backfield, Santonio Holmes stretching the field with his quickness and speed, Cotchery continuing to make all the ctaches, and hopefully Edwards being more comfortable in the system leads to him having a good year. Also, im hoping Dustin Keller makes even more strides. Not to mention, he has that full year of experience, including the playoffs, which is huge.

[seriousluboy83]

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isee the BSH ratings for 3-4 d-linemen hasn't been "stretched/changed"

[Maelstrom-XIII]

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In my opinion, you don't rate someone on how good they MIGHT be this year...you rate them based on how good they were last year. If that is the case, Sanchez is overrated. He showed some poise in the playoffs, but statistically (which is what should matter, right?) he wasn't very impressive...not at all.

With that said, I wouldn't mind if just about everyone took a 5-10 OVR hit...let's REALLY stretch out those ratings.

40s OVR for your below average NFL player...camp bodies, etc.
50s OVR for an average NFL player...players signed for depth, essentially.
60s OVR for a slightly above average NFL player...backups, role players, etc.
70s OVR for good NFL players...some starters, backups on strong teams...
80s OVR for great NFL players...Pro-bowlers, great starters, etc...
90s OVR for ELITE players...only a few of them. People that you would take with a #1 draft pick.

That's how I'd do ratings...I mean, on a scale to 99, 50 is the median...the average...so why not start there? Sure, it looks like an ugly overall, but it's average. The average shouldn't START at 65 or 70...let's make use of the whole scale, shall we?

[REDRZA]

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In my opinion, you don't rate someone on how good they MIGHT be this year...you rate them based on how good they were last year. If that is the case, Sanchez is overrated. He showed some poise in the playoffs, but statistically (which is what should matter, right?) he wasn't very impressive...not at all.

With that said, I wouldn't mind if just about everyone took a 5-10 OVR hit...let's REALLY stretch out those ratings.

40s OVR for your below average NFL player...camp bodies, etc.
50s OVR for an average NFL player...players signed for depth, essentially.
60s OVR for a slightly above average NFL player...backups, role players, etc.
70s OVR for good NFL players...some starters, backups on strong teams...
80s OVR for great NFL players...Pro-bowlers, great starters, etc...
90s OVR for ELITE players...only a few of them. People that you would take with a #1 draft pick.

That's how I'd do ratings...I mean, on a scale to 99, 50 is the median...the average...so why not start there? Sure, it looks like an ugly overall, but it's average. The average shouldn't START at 65 or 70...let's make use of the whole scale, shall we?

Not every single player can be based off last years stats, especially when last year could have been an injury plagued season which then that players stats didn't match his true potential, or lifetime stats.

Same goes for very young players (1-3 yrs in the league). When you have young players who are still fulfilling their potential, you have to envision what they should be going a year forward. You admitted yourself that he played well in the playoffs. Well the playoffs are the biggest stage. Also, they were his most recent body of work. So that is what EA is going by.

Not to mention, lets not forget we get weekly roster updates, so if a player isn't playing well, or playing better, their ratings will change. Thats why it doesn't matter that much what they initially rate players, becuase they change throughout the year on the game of Madden.

[Maelstrom-XIII]

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Same goes for very young players (1-3 yrs in the league). When you have young players who are still fulfilling their potential, you have to envision what they should be going a year forward. You admitted yourself that he played well in the playoffs. Well the playoffs are the biggest stage. Also, they were his most recent body of work. So that is what EA is going by.

In that case, Matt Moore should be rated 85 or so...he was lights out during his starts last year.

Not to mention, lets not forget we get weekly roster updates, so if a player isn't playing well, or playing better, their ratings will change. Thats why it doesn't matter that much what they initially rate players, becuase they change throughout the year on the game of Madden.

This is probably going to sound confrontational (not the intent here) but then why are you up here arguing for 4 pages that Sanchez isn't overrated?

[REDRZA]

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In that case, Matt Moore should be rated 85 or so...he was lights out during his starts last year.



This is probably going to sound confrontational (not the intent here) but then why are you up here arguing for 4 pages that Sanchez isn't overrated?

No confrontation felt. I'm not arguing, just rebutting the guys bashing the guy and their comparison to Chad Henne. I feel Sanchez is an 82 right now. I don't think an 82 is a great player in Madden. But im not worried because like i said, we do get roster updates all year.

[Marino]

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Where do I begin?

Henne is better than Sanchez. Sanchez was fortunate to have such a great defense and running game that he didnt need to do much. Especially with him throwing 20 INTs last year.

Bess at a 74? Really? He was Miami's best WR last year, should be at least 3-4 points higher if not more.

I'm sorry but Yeremiah Bell was in the Pro Bowl last year, an 82 is pretty low for a pro bowler.

I do like the love shown towards Starks, guy is a monster.

[REDRZA]

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Where do I begin?

Henne is better than Sanchez. Sanchez was fortunate to have such a great defense and running game that he didnt need to do much. Especially with him throwing 20 INTs last year.

Bess at a 74? Really? He was Miami's best WR last year, should be at least 3-4 points higher if not more.

I'm sorry but Yeremiah Bell was in the Pro Bowl last year, an 82 is pretty low for a pro bowler.

I do like the love shown towards Starks, guy is a monster.

Save it Marino, you are a dolphins fan and have your opinion. I'm a Jets fan and have mine. The Jets are better than the Phins, and are going further. I'll keep my QB, you keep yours. Thats all there is to it. See you on the gridiron.

[krc1130]

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Let's just all agree that Matt Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

[angels eclipse7]

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Who gives a crap if Sanchez was a rookie? If he is going to struggle like a rookie, should he not be rated like a guy who is going to struggle? You basically say "he was a rookie" like he is going to be good although he is not there yet. That is why he should have high potential, but until he starts playing like a starter, he should not be rated like one. I'd rate him a 71 (although I think everyone should be lower than what they are so take that with a grain of salt. I rate Matt Ryan 79.) Oh, and that whole "there hasn't been a quarterback with this kind of potential crap is stupid. Flacco and Ryan who were drafted just one year before both had much more promising rookie years.

[angels eclipse7]

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Let's just all agree that Matt Cassel is the worst starting QB in the league.

I would say as of right now, Josh Freeman is the worst starter in the league, although he has huge upside.

[PlayaHataSupreme]

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I see everyone else noticed Henne 79 vs Sanchez 82. I was like WTF????????
Do they watch the Nfl??? Gholston at 75 doesn't make sense. What's he done to get that rating. Ratings really need to be scaled back.

I agree on the Gholston deal.

Something tells me he was one of the players used to bump up the Jets' overall rating to get it to where they wanted it to be. He shouldn't be higher than a 69, if you ask me.