Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

[warrior7807]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

Not every single player can be based off last years stats, especially when last year could have been an injury plagued season which then that players stats didn't match his true potential, or lifetime stats.

Same goes for very young players (1-3 yrs in the league). When you have young players who are still fulfilling their potential, you have to envision what they should be going a year forward. You admitted yourself that he played well in the playoffs. Well the playoffs are the biggest stage. Also, they were his most recent body of work. So that is what EA is going by.

Not to mention, lets not forget we get weekly roster updates, so if a player isn't playing well, or playing better, their ratings will change. Thats why it doesn't matter that much what they initially rate players, becuase they change throughout the year on the game of Madden.

Again,there should be no crystal ball ratings in madden. You even mentioned the supposed weekly updates, so there is no reason to compensate him for hidden potential until he shows it on the field. no one knows if Sanchez will even be in the league in 2 years (far fetched). fact is, if last season, NY doesnt make the playoffs due to their outstanding D and solid Rush O, Sanchez would be no higher than a 78. He is a product of the ever famous Donny Moore playoff rating boosts. he played will in the playoffs compared to the reg season, but the O was simplified for him and even the jets FO recognized his misfortunes by rarely allowing him to throw over 20 times from roughly mid-season on unless desperation was needed. they did a good job limiting the amount of reads he needed to make as they cut down the field for him to make quicker decisions. if donny moore is rating NFL players, it should be based on their NFL experience(if they have any). Sanchez has a year under his belt, and individually, he struggled. If he put those same exact numbers up as the Browns, Raiders, or even Dolphins QB, he would be in the 70s. Your point about him being a rookie and performing decent and looking into the future doesnt hold much water if compared to other 2nd year QB's initial ratings.

He is not the only Jet that shows an inflated rating due to their success. Gholston is a 75 ovr, Cotchery, B. Smith, Leonard, Jenkins all have laughable overalls and need to be lowered. Why are they rated on a much more biased scale when compared with Langford, Wake, R. Brown, Bess, Hartline and Bell?

It only makes sense that individual ratings are measured on individual success/failures. Even though i dont like him(M.Sanchez) as a player, i agree he has the IT factor, but there is not IT factor rating, He did nothing last season to merit the high rating he recieved.

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

Where are the coverage ratings?

Some of these ratings are obviously poorly done, at least on the dolphins part(have not checked the jets).

Honestly, I think it says a lot about the ''team'' at madden.They have no clue, they do no research. Its sad really.

I can't really speak for the rest of the league, but I've been following the dolphins for years and these ratings are just not accurate. I could go over 40% of the roster and find basic errors but I think ill just point out the most blatant.

Greg Camarillo:How do catch 50 passes and not drop one and have an 83 overall catch rating? Makes no sense whatsoever. What more can you do besides not drop a single pass?

Tyler Thigpen/Pat White: This is just downright disrespectful. I know Thigpen practically didn't play at all last year but even in the one game he did play( and played very well until he threw that pick) he almost brought the fins back after White was knocked out (finishing his season with zero pass completions and a qb rating of 39%). If you follow the dolphins at all its well known Thigpen is a far better QB than White.

Thigpens 2008 numbers with the Chiefs:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>54.8</td> <td>2608</td> <td>6.2</td> <td>18</td> <td>
</td> <td>12</td> <td>
</td> <td>76.0 + 6 TD/INT ratio
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Sanchez numbers last year:
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>53.8</td> <td>
</td> <td>2444 </td> <td>6.71 </td> <td>
</td> <td>12
</td> <td>20 </td> <td>
</td> <td>63.0</td> <td> -8, TD/INT ratio
</td></tr></tbody></table>

So, basically Thigpen was better in every way, and despite this hes 18 points below sanchez. Thats just asinine. And this was for the freakin Chiefs, while all Sanchez had to was sit behind his power running game and great d and not make a mistake and he still played like crap. The guy is not that smart he cant read the d at all, hes a simple one read Qb that will end up a bust along the likes of joey harrington.

How is Ricky Williams not tough? How is Ronnie Brown injury rating only 3 points better than Ricky's? Brown has managed to play one complete season in 6 years, and is coming off a major injury.

I don't think they even touched Will Allen's stats. Yeremiah Bell still gets no respect.

The last thing I want to point out is just kinda funny--and a slap in the face to Anthony Fasano. Everybody swagger ratings are at least in the 40's with most in the 50's and up. Fasano has a swagger rating of 25. 25! LOL. Almost twice as low as the next guy who is a rookie. Ouch.

[rocknroll1968]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

Where are the coverage ratings?

Some of these ratings are obviously poorly done, at least on the dolphins part(have not checked the jets).

Honestly, I think it says a lot about the ''team'' at madden.They have no clue, they do no research. Its sad really.

I can't really speak for the rest of the league, but I've been following the dolphins for years and these ratings are just not accurate. I could go over 40% of the roster and find basic errors but I think ill just point out the most blatant.

Greg Camarillo:How do catch 50 passes and not drop one and have an 83 overall catch rating? Makes no sense whatsoever. What more can you do besides not drop a single pass?

Tyler Thigpen/Pat White: This is just downright disrespectful. I know Thigpen practically didn't play at all last year but even in the one game he did play( and played very well until he threw that pick) he almost brought the fins back after White was knocked out (finishing his season with zero pass completions and a qb rating of 39%). If you follow the dolphins at all its well known Thigpen is a far better QB than White.

Thigpens 2008 numbers with the Chiefs:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>54.8</td> <td>2608</td> <td>6.2</td> <td>18</td> <td>
</td> <td>12</td> <td>
</td> <td>76.0 + 6 TD/INT ratio
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Sanchez numbers last year:
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> <td>53.8</td> <td>
</td> <td>2444 </td> <td>6.71 </td> <td>
</td> <td>12
</td> <td>20 </td> <td>
</td> <td>63.0</td> <td> -8, TD/INT ratio
</td></tr></tbody></table>

So, basically Thigpen was better in every way, and despite this hes 18 points below sanchez. Thats just asinine. And this was for the freakin Chiefs, while all Sanchez had to was sit behind his power running game and great d and not make a mistake and he still played like crap. The guy is not that smart he cant read the d at all, hes a simple one read Qb that will end up a bust along the likes of joey harrington.

How is Ricky Williams not tough? How is Ronnie Brown injury rating only 3 points better than Ricky's? Brown has managed to play one complete season in 6 years, and is coming off a major injury.

I don't think they even touched Will Allen's stats. Yeremiah Bell still gets no respect.

The last thing I want to point out is just kinda funny--and a slap in the face to Anthony Fasano. Everybody swagger ratings are at least in the 40's with most in the 50's and up. Fasano has a swagger rating of 25. 25! LOL. Almost twice as low as the next guy who is a rookie. Ouch.

My guess is that player ratings are skewed to make simmed game stats and/or team standings come out somwhere in the neighborhood of where EA/TBN wants them to. For instance, they maybe need to get a positional OVR (average of all players at the postion) to a level which yeilds expected produciton, as well as influencing the team OVR score in order to control wins and loses.

Of course, I have reasons to place doubt on when I've just said, as far as the team wins/loss records go. I've done some testing with M10 and saw that some teams were predominant stand out to win or lose games (simmed), despite what the team OVR was, or how well each position was stocked. This indicated to me some sort of pre-programmed preference for a winner.

[Ronnie brown23]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

henne is clearly better than sanchez and i have no clue how a guy who can't even see the field is rated above a 50. vernon gholston, a 75?. LOL what a joke the guys who do these ratings are,

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

keep in mind that the ratings are not only based on the prior season, but what is projected for this one.

[Equinox831]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

HAHA... Mark Sanchez is rated higher than Chad Henne.

That seems accurate to me...

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

My guess is that player ratings are skewed to make simmed game stats and/or team standings come out somwhere in the neighborhood of where EA/TBN wants them to. For instance, they maybe need to get a positional OVR (average of all players at the postion) to a level which yeilds expected produciton, as well as influencing the team OVR score in order to control wins and loses.

Of course, I have reasons to place doubt on when I've just said, as far as the team wins/loss records go. I've done some testing with M10 and saw that some teams were predominant stand out to win or lose games (simmed), despite what the team OVR was, or how well each position was stocked. This indicated to me some sort of pre-programmed preference for a winner.

Those are interesting theories--I think your on to something with the pre-programmed preferences. I spent some time tweaking ratings last year in an attempt to change the stats and it didn't seem to have as much an affect on the overall record of certain teams as it should have.

By the way--I like your SN. 68 was a great year for Rock n Roll.

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

That seems accurate to me...

That seems accurate? How?

[warrior7807]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

keep in mind that the ratings are not only based on the prior season, but what is projected for this one.

so brad smith's69 must be based on what he will do this upcomming season.. i must have missed where donny looked into his crystal ball for that one. i guess MIA fans can expect a 12 TD 14 INT year out of henne again if thats the case.

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

so brad smith's69 must be based on what he will do this upcomming season.. i must have missed where donny looked into his crystal ball for that one. i guess MIA fans can expect a 12 TD 14 INT year out of henne again if thats the case.

79 isn't all that low in the game anyway. miami fans can expect him, in donny m's opinion to perform closely, but below, Orton, Campbell, Sanchez and Cutler.

brad smith's rating is probably that he physically has the tools, but is just behind better players, or it's too high. can definitively tell.

[Cobra84]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

I don't know if Thigpen vs Sanchez is funny or sad.

If they need to overrate player to sim games, then why not give a boost to players that at least somewhat deserve it? Why not drop Sanchez and boost run blocking and Shonn Greene?

That seems accurate to me...

As accurate as Sanchez.

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

keep in mind that the ratings are not only based on the prior season, but what is projected for this one.

Huh?

How do project what someones accuracy is going to be the next season? Their awareness? That's ridiculous. Greg Camarillo didn't drop a pass last year but we predict his hands will not be as good this season..oh really, based off what?


I love how in life people will say hes talented, hes got great potential, and everyone says "oh yea, prove it". So these guys prove that they can do it and they still get no respect. Gimme a break. This is what we ask out of people. To prove what they say, back up their talk.

What else do you have to back up someones claim to what they say besides what they have done?

[warrior7807]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

79 isn't all that low in the game anyway. miami fans can expect him, in donny m's opinion to perform closely, but below, Orton, Campbell, Sanchez and Cutler.

brad smith's rating is probably that he physically has the tools, but is just behind better players, or it's too high. can definitively tell.

so you can explain away MAJOR rating differences on physical tools and how players are going to play in the upcoming season.
so where does last season's stats fall into the ratings decisions? we have roster updates for a reason. it must be a HUGE part of the ratings that goes into what they are expected to do if sanchez puts up his stats and still gets an 82. Henne puts up better stats, and, based on your logic, will put up almost identical numbers even with an improved offense. id like to think that what you say has some bearing on the ratings, but based off of what has been released on both teams, its hard to believe

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

Huh?

How do project what someones accuracy is going to be the next season? Their awareness? That's ridiculous. Greg Camarillo didn't drop a pass last year but we predict his hands will not be as good this season..oh really, based off what?


I love how in life people will say hes talented, hes got great potential, and everyone says "oh yea, prove it". So these guys prove that they can do it and they still get no respect. Gimme a break. This is what we ask out of people. To prove what they say, back up their talk.

What else do you have to back up someones claim to what they say besides what they have done?

umm accuracy, that sounds like completion pct to me but ookay, awr? sounds like progression in the system and knowledge of the game. as far as greg camarillo goes, should he have 99 cth b/c he didn't drop a pass? i would say he didn't really impact a game with those catches since he's a short range possession receiver. i get it though, you maaad.

[iBlievN5]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

so you can explain away MAJOR rating differences on physical tools and how players are going to play in the upcoming season.
so where does last season's stats fall into the ratings decisions? we have roster updates for a reason. it must be a HUGE part of the ratings that goes into what they are expected to do if sanchez puts up his stats and still gets an 82. Henne puts up better stats, and, based on your logic, will put up almost identical numbers even with an improved offense. id like to think that what you say has some bearing on the ratings, but based off of what has been released on both teams, its hard to believe

haha alright man. mark sanchez won't be more successful than henne? is that what you want to hear? objectivity is obviously not a strong suit of yours. Donny M thinks Sanchez will be more successful win wise and they'll have similar statistics passing-wise. i don't understand your problem with this.