Madden NFL 11 Player Ratings: Top Players at Each Position (K0ACHK)

[Dramaking]

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It never should have been a fumble in the 1st damn place. Especially when you damn near have your head ripped off by your facemask as the ball is coming out.

Screw the refs, they have been responsible for every loss in Packers history.

the ball was out his hands before he touch is mask,Facemask or not the ball fell out his hands so you should be pissed at that and you should be pissed at the play before also. Like im pissed Mcfadden is *** and Racker is *** well only in the clutch. But it was Facemask

[JBH3]

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You mean the Jason Peters that gave up 11.5 sacks in 13 games in 2008 and last year was graded as the worst at his position, according to Football Outsiders.
"It's a crime that Peters made the Pro Bowl in his first season with the Birds after signing a six-year, $60.657 million contract.
He led the team in penalties with 11, allowed 7 sacks and gave up four hurries. The Eagles sorely need Peters to improve his pass blocking no matter who is under center."


As far as Celek, I 100% agree with you.

2008 performance should not grade 2010, and Peters improved on the disastrous '08 campaign. McNabb, quite a few times as he prone to doing, held on the ball way too long scuffling around in a pocket collapsing in all directions and Peters...most of the time blocking the opposing D's best pass rusher was victim to his QB not getting the ball out.

[Dramaking]

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Matt Leinart - 75 but Derek Anderson -67(lol i never cared to look at DA rating in the past)? First Ken Whisenhunt chooses players that compliment his style of play, so in the league other than Big Ben, DA is his type and shows Matt Leinart is not his type. But Ken is giving Leinart a chance since he was behind a FHOF for 3 years and shown improvement(i wouldnt count week 17 lol). My question is DA is more proven then Leinart but why do he have a lower rating. Second Leinart speed is a 54 same as in madden 10(same as kurt warner in madden 10, But Leinart 40 is a 4.97, thats faster than Tebows.? Third. These guys hate Tim Hightower, they didnt have a pic for him last year, now they didnt improve his rating. Here a vid of the first 10 teams rosters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqIPhPeeetU

[salbowski]

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2008 performance should not grade 2010, and Peters improved on the disastrous '08 campaign. McNabb, quite a few times as he prone to doing, held on the ball way too long scuffling around in a pocket collapsing in all directions and Peters...most of the time blocking the opposing D's best pass rusher was victim to his QB not getting the ball out.

You have to incorporate 2008 into a players 2010 rating. If someone has an awful 2008 but was good in 07 and 09 then you take 08 as an anomaly and give the player a good rating but when you give up 11.5 sacks in 08 then give up a further 7 sacks and are ranked the worst LT in the league in 09, that isn't an anomaly, that's a trend.

Take L Tomlinson as an example, when he started tailing off, EA gave him the opportunity to prove the poor season was an anomaly and he just needed a good offseason (much like coaches do for players also) but when LT came out last year and was average again, the trend is that he's now average and he's now rated as such.

The real question should be, how is J Peters not ranked in the bottom 5 of starting Left Tackles given his performances. I have no doubt he's still rated 85+ on the game but in all honesty, he should be lower than that.

[JBH3]

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You have to incorporate 2008 into a players 2010 rating. If someone has an awful 2008 but was good in 07 and 09 then you take 08 as an anomaly and give the player a good rating but when you give up 11.5 sacks in 08 then give up a further 7 sacks and are ranked the worst LT in the league in 09, that isn't an anomaly, that's a trend.

Take L Tomlinson as an example, when he started tailing off, EA gave him the opportunity to prove the poor season was an anomaly and he just needed a good offseason (much like coaches do for players also) but when LT came out last year and was average again, the trend is that he's now average and he's now rated as such.

The real question should be, how is J Peters not ranked in the bottom 5 of starting Left Tackles given his performances. I have no doubt he's still rated 85+ on the game but in all honesty, he should be lower than that.

Statistical analysis for O-Linemen are lacking (yet there are stats there to be captured) so it makes it increasingly hard to gauge an O-Linemen's performance w/o having watched him. I can vouch for Peters on the grounds of having watched him. Realizing that his sacks allwd total from '09 is more/less a product of McNabb's indecisiveness on at least 50% of those allwd.

Lets just look w/in the division. Premiere pass rusher Demarcus Ware did not register a sack against Philly at all in '09. Neither did Orakpo or Justin Tuck. Osi had 2 and Andre Carter had 2 against the Eagles in '09, but I'm unsure if those came against Andrews or Peters.

[kcarr]

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That's just flat out incorrect. If you do your research you'll find his fumbles per attempt is really similar to some of the greatest RBs and wasn't even the highest the last season.

carries/fumble touches/fumble
C. Johnson - 99 151 175
A. Peterson - 98 45 49
M. Jones-Drew - 96 77 95
S. Jackson - 95 77 91
F. Gore - 93 53 63
D. Williams - 92 151 172
R. Rice - 90 90 118
M. Turner - 90 87 89

Peterson is nowhere near the other top backs in the league in terms of carries per fumble over his career and is even worse off when you figure in receptions as well as he is not nearly as involved in the passing game as most of the backs there. Really, his 49 carries and receptions per fumble are pretty terrible compared to the rest of the top of the league.

[GreenReign86]

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the ball was out his hands before he touch is mask,Facemask or not the ball fell out his hands so you should be pissed at that and you should be pissed at the play before also. Like im pissed Mcfadden is *** and Racker is *** well only in the clutch. But it was Facemask

Facemask happened before the change of possession. And who is to say had he not been taken down by his facemaks, he wouldn't of been able to recover his own fumble. I am in the mindset that the facemask caused him to inadvertanly kick the ball to the Cardinals player.

[SouthernBrick]

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Facemask happened before the change of possession. And who is to say had he not been taken down by his facemaks, he wouldn't of been able to recover his own fumble. I am in the mindset that the facemask caused him to inadvertanly kick the ball to the Cardinals player.

You do realize the Cardinals would have gotten the ball back even if Rodgers or a Packer recovered so in that regard it really doesn't matter.

I know that doesn't mean a automatic win for the Cards but, they were back up pretty far and would of been backed up even more with the negative yards and wouldn't had to drive to far for a easy field goal or TD.

[Eman5805]

It's a total rip that Andre Johnson is unquestionably the best WR in the league, and Colston is barely a top 10 WR.

Just check out this stat comparison:

Andre Johnson: 171 targets, 101 receptions, 1,569, 15.5 YPC, 9 TD's

Marques Colston: 106 targets, 70 receptions, 1,074, 15.3 YPC, 9 TD's

They're #s are virtually identical proportionately, with Colston having a higher slightly % of catches per targetings. And Colston still has the same # of TDs.

It's not Colston's fault the Saints offense isn't so dependent on one WR.

Really a shame. But that's okay. At least Colston also has Johnson beat on one stat that matters: Super Bowl rings.

And I'll be the first to say he puts more catches on the ground than I'd like.

Nothing against Johnson, btw. Just a lil miffed how he gets so much praise and Colston gets overlooked by almost everyone but people in Saints Nation, opposing defensive coordinators, and John Gruden.

[Tubs4560]

Wow, they're stacked. Not suprised, they battered the Packers (twice), hammered the Cowboys in the playoffs and dominated the Saints in the NFC champ game.

Just looked again, they also have Ray Edwards on the list of top LE's, Longwell on the K list and you have to think Harvin (ROTY) would be rated quite well also.

Another thing I hate is why 3-4 OLBs are always rated higher than 4-3 OLBs just because they get sacks. I don't think it's a very fair comparison but Madden seems to be rated on Sportscenter highlights and 3-4 OLB getting sacks (often without any contact with an Olineman) makes it into sportscenter more than a 4-3 OLB making a good tackle. Just another reason to have formation, system based ratings for positions. (cover2 CBs v man CBs, NT v DT, 3-4 OLBs v 4-3 OLBs).

They do the same **** for 4-3 DE's just because they get high sacks and a lot of tackles, when in reality 3-4 DE is a much tougher position to play.

[bigal093]

I'm a bit biased but Asomugha is the best corner in the NFL. Stats don't paint the complete picture in his case.

I am a DIE HARD steelers fan, but you are completely right. revis is a notch below. and he's only had one good year, albeit an amazing one. and revis is from pitt, so i like him.

[steelers1]

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I am a DIE HARD steelers fan, but you are completely right. revis is a notch below. and he's only had one good year, albeit an amazing one. and revis is from pitt, so i like him.

I don't know about Revis being a notch below... he had a ridiculously amazing year last season despite QBs continuously testing him... and only 1 good year? He had a great 2008, and had a very good rookie campaign in '07. The guy hasn't had a bad year yet, or even a 'just average' year.

Now, Nnamdi is a great CB, and definitely top 2 or 3 at his position, but he had a bit of an 'off year' last season (by his standards). Nnamdi was thrown at 28 times and allowed 21 completions for 246 yards and a TD, while collecting 1 INT and 4 pass deflections. As always, teams didn't throw at him much, but last year when they did they found some success...

Revis, on the other hand, was thrown at 111 times last season, allowed only 41 catches for 425 yards and 2 TD and collected 6 INTs with 23 pass deflections. Teams constantly threw his way, and constantly paid the price. Revis' numbers weren't that much worse in '08, either (thrown at 84 times and allowed 49 catches for only 510 yards and 2 TDs and collected 5 INTs and 8 PDs.)

Now being a WVU fan, I hate the Pitt Panthers, and I wish Revis would start sucking because I wanted him to fall to the Steelers in the draft soo bad, and it makes me sick thinking about how he could've helped our team last season. But despite that, I've got to admit that he is the top CB in the league right now.

[steelers1]

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Nothing against Johnson, btw. Just a lil miffed how he gets so much praise and Colston gets overlooked by almost everyone but people in Saints Nation, opposing defensive coordinators, and John Gruden.

Colston is a great WR, but to get the recognition as one of the top 10/elite WRs, he's going to have to put up more catches and yards. It doesn't matter if the Saints and Brees like to spread the ball around, the perception of an elite WR is a guy who gets lots of catches and yards.

Using your 'proportional' logic, Colston wouldn't even be the best receiver on the Saints: Meachem would be.

Meachem: 61 targets, 45 catches (73.8%) 725 yards (16.1 YPC) 9 TDs.

[buzzguy]

Interesting how no safeties are over 97.

[foocards88]

No love for Newman or Jenkins at CB?