Madden NFL 11 Full Player Ratings: Miami Dolphins and New York Jets

[warrior7807]

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that makes no sense. but w/e you win. go fins, since that's all you want to hear.

tell me how that doesn't make sense? Why would we compare what Cotch did in 2007 with a completely different team and FO. Other than pointing out the obvious, cotchery had some very good seasons, there is nothing to pull from that to compare the two. I would think that consistency would bring about a better debate.

[a4reak]

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tell me how that doesn't make sense? Why would we compare what Cotch did in 2007 with a completely different team and FO. Other than pointing out the obvious, cotchery had some very good seasons, there is nothing to pull from that to compare the two. I would think that consistency would bring about a better debate.

I will use an example to show why the poster and me in particular really disagree with your logic. If Chris Bosh, and Lebron James join Wade on the Heat, all 3 players will take a hit in production. That's just inevitable. Does the hit in production make Lebron James any less of a player or Chris Bosh any less talented? The answer is no. Cotchery is better then Bess, you are trying to say that they are equal when you compare the systems there in and what their production would be. That makes 0 sense

[Purple28Pedestrian]

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The stretched rating don't feel right. Sure there is an equal amount of 60s and 70s to 80s...

however it seems like any starter is 80 or above and they make up for it by making everyone else 60s and 50s.

I just wish they would go the Fifa route, highest is what a high 80 low 90...you can feel the ratings difference.

although is that because of stretched ratings or better programming? Dunno, it's just nice to not have players rated 99 all over the place.

[feeq14]

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I like these ratings. However I want to point out again that somehow they have Chad Henne and Tom Brady with the same THP. I defy you to find a judge of NFL talent that will tell you that Tom Brady has just as strong an arm as Chad Henne

[Ronnie brown23]

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I like these ratings. However I want to point out again that somehow they have Chad Henne and Tom Brady with the same THP. I defy you to find a judge of NFL talent that will tell you that Tom Brady has just as strong an arm as Chad Henne

brady is the nfl's golden boy. of course they're gonna overate him a little bit. they need a new rating for how far a qb can throw the ball, and then the actual throw power, or how much zip is on the ball

[KBLover]

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C'mon you serious? You guys are acting like an 82 is great. 82 in Madden is a decent rating, not a great one. Like i said, the guy was a pure rookie last year, and started day 1. He played poorly at first, but progressed as the season wore on, culminating on his team making the AFC Championship. 82 is warranted.

I disagree.

Mark Sanchez played badly. Yes, he's a rookie so it's not unexpected and doesn't mean he doesn't have potential to be a top 10 QB (who knows), but looking at his past season performance, I don't see how he deserves an average rating. To me, "playing well for a rookie" shouldn't mean you are NFL average, especially if his performance didn't warrant it.

Here's how Sanchez's major number stack up to average:

Comp. %: 53.4 (Avg: 60.9)
TD: 12 (Avg: 22.2)
INT: 20 (Avg: 16.4)
TD%: 3.1 (Avg: 4.2)
INT%: 5.3 (Avg: 3.1)
Y/A: 5.1 (Avg: 7.0)
Y/C: 12.4 (Avg: 11.2)
RTG: 62.0 (Avg: 81.2)
Sk % 7.1 (Avg: 6.2)

None of those strike me as being average performances. He's slightly to significantly below average everywhere except Y/C.

I don't see how that warrants an average rating, no matter what it is. If average is 80 in Madden, Sanchez should be around 68-70, imo, according to his performance. Give him A potential if you want - who knows what his potential "should" be - but looking at his performance, I can't see how 80 is warranted going strictly by the results he put up last season.

Edit to Add:

I looked at his game logs on football reference, and I don't see the progression in terms of his performance. He had his worst completion percentage in week 10 (38.4 % - that's Jamarcus Russell/Derek "2 completions" Anderson bad) then 2 weeks later, 46.7 % completion. By Rating, week 10 and 13 were his worst of the year. Lots of inconsistent, at best, performances in the second half, his one good rating was mostly because he didn't throw an INT, which, of course, is a good thing, but that was the 46.7% completion game and he threw only 15 passes. Even for his INT rate, he's likely to go 15 passes without an INT, as are most QBs wearing an NFL uniform (1 INT per 16 passes would be a 6.7% INT rate, and if you're worse than that - you won't last long, imo).

In the playoffs, he did his job against Cincy (again, only 15 passes), but did badly against SD. Solid day against the Colts - a loss that wasn't at all his fault, imo (defense fell apart).

So maybe THIS year, he'll do better, but I still hesitate to call him NFL average just yet, unless he shows that, say, through the first half of this coming season.

[warrior7807]

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I will use an example to show why the poster and me in particular really disagree with your logic. If Chris Bosh, and Lebron James join Wade on the Heat, all 3 players will take a hit in production. That's just inevitable. Does the hit in production make Lebron James any less of a player or Chris Bosh any less talented? The answer is no. Cotchery is better then Bess, you are trying to say that they are equal when you compare the systems there in and what their production would be. That makes 0 sense

i understand the bball player analogy, but there were no Lebron's or Bosh's on the team to take Wade's (cotchery's) production. Cotch put up similar stats the past two seasons so its hard to assume Edwards took away much production from Cotchery. Cotchery's numbers being similar to bess shows how bad their passing attack was.

The reason i am comparing last season;s play is because it is impossible to compare their careers unless you go by each players first 2 years in the league. If that were to be the case, then Bess has been better. Another way to explain away the poor passing game of the jets would be the stellar running game, but even that is similar to Mami as well so that point is moot. obviously cotchery has shown more throughout his career, but the only way we can compare them head to head to see who is currently better(Which i assume that was the point of the Marshall<Holmes, edwards, cotch, keller post), is by comparing them the current offense, run by each team's current Quarterback, with their current recieving core.

The entire point of this thread is debating Sanchez's 82 Overall in M11. If his 31st ranked passing offense and bad stats are counterbalanced by the fact that he played good in the playoffs while not throwing the ball much unless desperation was needed(see colts afc championship game), then thats outrageous.

[DaCarver13]

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What success has Henne had?

All I hear is a bunch of biased opinions.

But I bet if you put a poll asking people that are neither a fan of the Phins or Jets, most would agree that Henne definitely deserves a higher rating than Sanchez. Even most experts agree as of right now that Henne is the guy you want over Sanchez.

This mumbo jumbo talk that Sanchez was a rookie and Henne was on the bench the season before watching Penny talk is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is Henne did way more with way less! The numbers are also there. The only thing Sanchez did better was rush the ball and even there he lost 3 fumbles to Henne's 0. Guys love to bring up how Sanchez was in the conference finals, well number 1 if Nate Kaeding wouldn't have missed 3 FG's that wouldn't have been the case. The Chargers loss the game themselves.

The most throws Sanchez had to throw in a game was 35. Henne threw 52 passes vs NE and another 55 vs HOU. Henne has shown that he can carry the team on his back when needed to. This is why I stated earlier that Henne in my mind is the real deal. When I see Sanchez do the same and win football games from behind and put the team on his shoulders then I'll be convinced.

Its clear that EA needs help with ratings and it should be a team working on them because another example is Tyler Thigpen being rated lower than Pat White.

[DaCarver13]

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Lets not forget that Henne gets pulled out of plays so that the Phins can run the Wildcat. This can effect a QB's rhythm and flow in the game and also took away redzone attempts.

[Ronnie brown23]

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Lets not forget that Henne gets pulled out of plays so that the Phins can run the Wildcat. This can effect a QB's rhythm and flow in the game and also took away redzone attempts.

that has got to be the weakest, most irrelevant statement i have ever seen.

[warrior7807]

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All I hear is a bunch of biased opinions.

But I bet if you put a poll asking people that are neither a fan of the Phins or Jets, most would agree that Henne definitely deserves a higher rating than Sanchez. Even most experts agree as of right now that Henne is the guy you want over Sanchez.

This mumbo jumbo talk that Sanchez was a rookie and Henne was on the bench the season before watching Penny talk is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is Henne did way more with way less! The numbers are also there. The only thing Sanchez did better was rush the ball and even there he lost 3 fumbles to Henne's 0. Guys love to bring up how Sanchez was in the conference finals, well number 1 if Nate Kaeding wouldn't have missed 3 FG's that wouldn't have been the case. The Chargers loss the game themselves.

The most throws Sanchez had to throw in a game was 35. Henne threw 52 passes vs NE and another 55 vs HOU. Henne has shown that he can carry the team on his back when needed to. This is why I stated earlier that Henne in my mind is the real deal. When I see Sanchez do the same and win football games from behind and put the team on his shoulders then I'll be convinced.

Its clear that EA needs help with ratings and it should be a team working on them because another example is Tyler Thigpen being rated lower than Pat White.

not to mention Cromartie decided not to play at all.

agree. this is everything ive said and some. The Jets were at their best when Sanchez threw the ball around 15 times a game. this is not a coincidence.

[iBlievN5]

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I'm a fan of neither team, and I can see why Sanchez is rated higher. You refuse to. Fact: Jets were more successful than the Dolphins, they will probably be better again. Sanchez is expected to take a big leap forward from starting his whole rookie season. That's it. That's why he's 3 PTs, just 3 mind you, higher.

[warrior7807]

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I'm a fan of neither team, and I can see why Sanchez is rated higher. You refuse to. Fact: Jets were more successful than the Dolphins, they will probably be better again. Sanchez is expected to take a big leap forward from starting his whole rookie season. That's it. That's why he's 3 PTs, just 3 mind you, higher.

didnt deny any of this. Sanchez needs to take a big leap, that way he may be an average NFL starter.
Thank you for so clearly stating why he is three points higher.. now i finally see previous season accomplishments mean nothing in ratings
You're willing to tell me Sanchez had more success than Henne last year? and note, QB success is different than Team success.

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

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I'm a fan of neither team, and I can see why Sanchez is rated higher. You refuse to. Fact: Jets were more successful than the Dolphins, they will probably be better again. Sanchez is expected to take a big leap forward from starting his whole rookie season. That's it. That's why he's 3 PTs, just 3 mind you, higher.

What a weak argument. Apparently you refuse to face the facts.

1) Were talking about individual players here, not the teams. I think its been stated repeatedly why the Jets were successful last year ( if you don't know you really have no business commenting on this subject).
2) Sanchez is expected to take a big leap forward? So what. He hasn't. When he does, fine give him the 82 rating. Isn't that what potential is about anyways.

The fact is this guy has not performed well enough to merit that rating. Period.

[salbowski]

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There is no argument to support Sanchez being rated higher than Henne.

The guy was plain and simply just awful last year.

Jets fans keeps saying, "the Jets were a good team so he was good", how does that make sense? I think you'll find the Jets were a good team and he stunk which makes his poor performance even worse.

Sanchez had one of the best Olines in football, the best running game and the best D but he had similar stats to Stafford who quite simply played for the Lions (enough said).

He's lucky to be rated above 75, infact I would have Tarvaris Jackson rated above him based on performances alone yet Jackson is rated 12 points lower.