The Tim Tebow Effect

[Ultimo]

Looking at how EA does its rating in the past, he's going to be unstoppable in this game. Im a huge gator fan, but its going to be ridiculous on how good he's going to be in the game. Think about the first time Vick was on madden its going to be the same thing. All hate aside though GO GATORS!!!

[lofeazy]

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Have you seen the e3 video?look it up and you will see tebow trucking people.Yes I do agree with you its madden 04 again with tebow. That's one thing I didn't like about 04.

[Illustrator76]

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I know this doesn't totally tie in with the point the OP is making in this thread, but I just got to thinking. I would like to see "mechanics" and "delivery" ratings or something else like that that would further hinder the ability of quarterbacks like Tebow and Jamarcus Russell. I know accuracy is kind of tied to the mechanics of a QB, but it just seems like if you get the accuracy rating up, then guys like this become very good, when that isn't the case in real life. Especially in the case of Jamarcus Russell, his accuracy was horrible, but so were his mechanics, delivery and just about everything other than his howitzer-like arm strength.

I just think extra ratings like the ones I mentioned above would make it much harder to take a quarterback with one good trait (like arm strength) and turn him in to a Pro Bowler so quickly.

[Bolt4Life]

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I know this doesn't totally tie in with the point the OP is making in this thread, but I just got to thinking. I would like to see "mechanics" and "delivery" ratings or something else like that that would further hinder the ability of quarterbacks like Tebow and Jamarcus Russell. I know accuracy is kind of tied to the mechanics of a QB, but it just seems like if you get the accuracy rating up, then guys like this become very good, when that isn't the case in real life. Especially in the case of Jamarcus Russell, his accuracy was horrible, but so were his mechanics, delivery and just about everything other than his howitzer-like arm strength.

I just think extra ratings like the ones I mentioned above would make it much harder to take a quarterback with one good trait (like arm strength) and turn him in to a Pro Bowler so quickly.

It sounds like a good idea but Ian or Donny couldn't handle it. Eventhough we all know Rivers is a top QB he would suck in the game because he doesn't have cookie cutter mechanics. And the rating maker wouldn't know how to handle that.

On a side note its funny that the Broncos got the most overpowered QB and the Raiders of all teams have the best offense in the game. Just look at the Raiders speeds.

[RayAllen20]

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I'm only playing offline so I'll be decreasing his run ratings.

[Illustrator76]

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It sounds like a good idea but Ian or Donny couldn't handle it. Eventhough we all know Rivers is a top QB he would suck in the game because he doesn't have cookie cutter mechanics. And the rating maker wouldn't know how to handle that.

On a side note its funny that the Broncos got the most overpowered QB and the Raiders of all teams have the best offense in the game. Just look at the Raiders speeds.

I guess what I meant with the mechanics is that Rivers doesn't necessarily have cookie cutter mechanics (as far as his arm throwing angle goes) but he has a lightning fast delivery and the rest of his mechanics are pretty good (e.g. footwork and things like that). I would just like to see more than raising the accuracy of someone like Jamarcus Russell making him a star, because there is SO much more wrong with the guy than just accuracy.

[SA1NT401]

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I ONLY play OFFLIne, so i will be editing his Throwing ratings to this....PWR 84...Accuracy 77....Awr...55.....Might lower trucking by 10-12 pts...This isnt college and he will not be running over Pro DL/LB thats for sure...In madden or in reality.

[DaCarver13]

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Looking at how EA does its rating in the past, he's going to be unstoppable in this game. Im a huge gator fan, but its going to be ridiculous on how good he's going to be in the game. Think about the first time Vick was on madden its going to be the same thing. All hate aside though GO GATORS!!!

Not really ...
#1 When Vick was in the game years back the game was much faster and it was so easy to roll out every passing down, even with slow QB's. Since Madden has slowed the game down it is not as easy to get outside the pocket anymore.

#2 There was a clone of Tim Tebow in Madden 10. His name was Tim Trebow with very similar ratings. Yet he was faster than 79 speed. I have a very competitive Online Franchise in its 9th season and Trebow is now an 82 OVR and he is not unstoppable. Yea he breaks tackles here and there but he can be stopped.

#3 There is also a player in the draft called "Michael Bolt" which has 97 speed at QB. He was also a guy that everybody in the lg thought was going to be unstoppable and that wasn't the case. Yea he's fast and dangerous but is containable.

#4 If you notice when you begin to take off and run with the QB, it takes a couple of steps before they start to get into a fast motion which I think is great.

#5 Wildcat passing plays do not allow you to take off run with the QB. Which makes it tougher to make a player like Tebow that much more effective.

[Maelstrom-XIII]

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Not really ...
#1 When Vick was in the game years back the game was much faster and it was so easy to roll out every passing down, even with slow QB's. Since Madden has slowed the game down it is not as easy to get outside the pocket anymore.

Looking at some of the videos we've seen, it is still WAY too easy to get outside the pocket. Almost every QB seems capable of rolling out with ease, and no pressure...

#2 There was a clone of Tim Tebow in Madden 10. His name was Tim Trebow with very similar ratings. Yet he was faster than 79 speed. I have a very competitive Online Franchise in its 9th season and Trebow is now an 82 OVR and he is not unstoppable. Yea he breaks tackles here and there but he can be stopped.

Never really played with/against Tribow, so I can't really say one way or another whether he was as overpowered as Tebow seems to be...

#3 There is also a player in the draft called "Michael Bolt" which has 97 speed at QB. He was also a guy that everybody in the lg thought was going to be unstoppable and that wasn't the case. Yea he's fast and dangerous but is containable.

Speed kills in Madden. Pure and simple. As an offline player, I don't really mind it much because I can bring his ratings down to what I think will be more realistic for him at a pro level...however, seeing the Tim Tebow vs The World video that was posted from E3, I can see how online players may have a problem with the ratings...He seems overpowered in a lot of the ratings, when he won't be facing college players anymore...he couldn't run over Eric Berry, but he's able to run over NFL linebackers with ease? Somethings not quite right there...

#4 If you notice when you begin to take off and run with the QB, it takes a couple of steps before they start to get into a fast motion which I think is great.

The issue, I think, isn't necessarily Tebow's speed, as much as his other ratings. Sure, he can be a pain to bring down sometimes (at least in college), but I don't think that he'll be breaking 3-4 tackles on every run in real life, like the ratings would suggest he's able to do in Madden...

#5 Wildcat passing plays do not allow you to take off run with the QB. Which makes it tougher to make a player like Tebow that much more effective.

Usually only play as the Panthers (who, as of M10, had no wildcat passing plays) so I don't know if you could take off or not...regardless, Tebow in a wildcat with those ratings seems like trouble...not saying unstoppable, but we're definitely going to see more broken tackles than we should, IMO.

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[TNT713]

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First, I've seen a lot of people panic uneccesarily over the Tim Tebow video. While Tebow is running through several 'STRIP TACKLES', those are the easiest tackles to break regardless of the player carrying the ball. Any player can break a strip tackle with ease.

Second, unlike Madden '04 which had no contain or buzz (purple) zone assignments, Madden 11 will have both. While it's still easy to get outside the pocket in Madden, it's no longer because the assignment tools aren't available but rather because few people utilize the Contain when they need to contain someone. Utilizing the CB blitz, blitz/spy combo, and contain assignments work wonders to prevent QB's from getting outside... But people have to use them for them to work. Failing this, it's no surprise QB's can get outside anytime they want.

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[Shawnj86]

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Im not worried bout tebow because he's ratings are going down

[DaCarver13]

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You said it, you play offline. It is very easy to roll out against the CPU. Heck it is easy to do anything VS the CPU. You can run the same exact play on ALL-MADDEN setting and still score with ease. When you're playing with guys that know how to play, you can't just roll out whenever you want.

As far as Tebow in that video breaking all those tackles... yea that was unrealistic and shouldn't be happening, but you guys forget its a video game bro. There is a lot of BS sometimes in the game, that doesn't mean that Tebow will be doing that all game or that often. I know Madden is not that BAD. I loved Madden 10, yea there are flaws and BS but I can look past it and only hope they improve and make it better.

But I guarantee that Tebow will not be "Unstoppable". I am a Dolphin fan and will only be playing with the Dolphins. But as far as Tebows ratings I have no problem with them. He was a 1st round pick and one of the best college players in college history. He deserves the ratings he got and if you're a good Madden player you will be able to stop or contain Tebow. Will he make plays?... of course, but any player can make plays if you use them the right way.

[TNT713]

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But I guarantee that Tebow will not be "Unstoppable".

Many players have been tough to stop, but no player on Madden has ever been unstoppable.

That's not going to change this year.

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[iliteracy3]

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i dont think he'll be that great. u have to realize there is lots of fast D line men also, and once u get him scrambling his bad accuracy will give u many picks. i love these challenges who else does?

[HittinAgenda]

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Wow...he's got the best carry rating (86) and trucking rating (83) of anyone on the Broncos roster. Stronger than a lot of guys on the second string O-line too.

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