Saving The Big XII...

**Perfect Zero** · 06-30-2010, 02:50 PM

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Because Iowa State and Baylor can get tons of money in the Western Athletic Conference...

**DonkeyJote** · 06-30-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Perfect Zero

Because Iowa State and Baylor can get tons of money in the Western Athletic Conference...

No, but Missouri, Kansas, Texas Tech, maybe Oklahoma State, could have options in a couple years.

**AuburnAlumni** · 06-30-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by DonkeyJote

Tommy Tuberville is already saying he doesn't think the 10 team Big XII will last long because of the disparity in revenue.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf...ory?id=5341756

The truth hurts.

Tubs has enough national respect that he can make those kinds of comments. I'm sure he also wasn't too pleased with the "bullying" done by Texas, A&M, and OU recently concering money, etc.

**jhawkmike** · 07-02-2010, 01:26 PM

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Texas had the ball, down by 3, with 3 minutes left. So yeah, they almost won. I'll give Alabama credit for being the team that caused McCoy's injury, but if they hadn't, they wouldn't have won.

**trobinson97** · 07-02-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by jhawkmike

Texas had the ball, down by 3, with 3 minutes left. So yeah, they almost won. I'll give Alabama credit for being the team that caused McCoy's injury, but if they hadn't, they wouldn't have won.

Awww. I like how you are reporting news from alternate realities.

Seriously, you should learn what almost winning is.

**Pokes** · 07-02-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by AuburnAlumni

The truth hurts.

Tubs has enough national respect that he can make those kinds of comments. I'm sure he also wasn't too pleased with the "bullying" done by Texas, A&M, and OU recently concering money, etc.

For the most part people don't have a problem with UT and OU taking more money since they earn more money. What I don't get is why A&M was thrown in the same lot with them.

**trobinson97** · 07-02-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by TexanWolverine

For the most part people don't have a problem with UT and OU taking more money since they earn more money. What I don't get is why A&M was thrown in the same lot with them.

To keep them out of the SEC.

**Solidice** · 07-02-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by DonkeyJote

Tommy Tuberville is already saying he doesn't think the 10 team Big XII will last long because of the disparity in revenue.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf...ory?id=5341756

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13593999/new-texas-tech-coach-tuberville-reprimanded-by-big-12/rss

**ZB9** · 07-02-2010, 10:06 PM

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didnt realize Tubs was a Marxist lol

**DonkeyJote** · 07-02-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by ZB9

didnt realize Tubs was a Marxist lol

In economics, there should/will be disparity (for a variety of reasons, but that's way off topic). But in College Football, it isn't good for the long term future of the league.

With the disparity, Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M have no reason to bolt. But who's not to say in a couple years Kansas, K-State, Missouri, Tech, or Ok St won't get better offers. It's not hard to beat what those teams are getting as is. Maybe in a few years, the Pac 10 decides it does want to go to 14 and 16. They go for Tech and Kansas, offering them an equal share, which equates to much more than they make in the Big XII (10). Now down to 8 teams, the Big XII probably folds. Or Missouri and/or Kansas gets an invite to the Big XII. The big XII folds.

Also, I don't think it's good for Texas and Oklahoma. With this disparity, they'll continue to dominate the conference, and A&M will be better for the change, but the other 5 teams will fall even farther behind. The conference is already weaker than it was, and a lot of the schools will continue to fall back, and the conference will be weaker. It'll also be one of only 2 BCS conferences without a Conference Title Game. Texas and Oklahoma will have to go undefeated to have any chance at a National Title since they will be in a perceived weaker conference than the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, and maybe even the ACC long term.

**AuburnAlumni** · 07-03-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by DonkeyJote

In economics, there should/will be disparity (for a variety of reasons, but that's way off topic). But in College Football, it isn't good for the long term future of the league.

With the disparity, Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M have no reason to bolt. But who's not to say in a couple years Kansas, K-State, Missouri, Tech, or Ok St won't get better offers. It's not hard to beat what those teams are getting as is. Maybe in a few years, the Pac 10 decides it does want to go to 14 and 16. They go for Tech and Kansas, offering them an equal share, which equates to much more than they make in the Big XII (10). Now down to 8 teams, the Big XII probably folds. Or Missouri and/or Kansas gets an invite to the Big XII. The big XII folds.

Also, I don't think it's good for Texas and Oklahoma. With this disparity, they'll continue to dominate the conference, and A&M will be better for the change, but the other 5 teams will fall even farther behind. The conference is already weaker than it was, and a lot of the schools will continue to fall back, and the conference will be weaker. It'll also be one of only 2 BCS conferences without a Conference Title Game. Texas and Oklahoma will have to go undefeated to have any chance at a National Title since they will be in a perceived weaker conference than the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, and maybe even the ACC long term.

I'd compare it to this.

If a chick is in a crappy relationship with a boyfriend who beats her and cheats on her with other women....

How long until she decides to start looking for another relationship?

The current situation in the Big 12, although their only option right now...I guarantee you every team not named Texas, OU, or A&M will be looking for any and all opportunities to bolt and get a better situation.

Just because they had no other choice now doesn't mean they won't be actively looking for better situations in the future.

This conference is doomed in the long term unless a change is made IMO.

**rspencer86** · 07-03-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by AuburnAlumni

I'd compare it to this.

If a chick is in a crappy relationship with a boyfriend who beats her and cheats on her with other women....

How long until she decides to start looking for another relationship?

The current situation in the Big 12, although their only option right now...I guarantee you every team not named Texas, OU, or A&M will be looking for any and all opportunities to bolt and get a better situation.

Just because they had no other choice now doesn't mean they won't be actively looking for better situations in the future.

This conference is doomed in the long term unless a change is made IMO.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks this arrangement is solid and will last for any significant length of time is crazy. This whole thing started because Mizzou, Nebraska, Colorado, etc. were pissed at the inequity of the revenue sharing... why would the "lower rung" teams in the Big 12 be happy now when the situation has only gotten worse?

Tuberville was just stating the obvious. It's probably fair that he got fined, but that doesn't make his statement any less true.

**Cebby** · 07-03-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by rspencer86

Exactly. Anyone who thinks this arrangement is solid and will last for any significant length of time is crazy. This whole thing started because Mizzou, Nebraska, Colorado, etc. were pissed at the inequity of the revenue sharing... why would the "lower rung" teams in the Big 12 be happy now when the situation has only gotten worse?

Because they have no other options

**Perfect Zero** · 07-03-2010, 04:33 PM

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The only reason Tech was in the running for the PAC was because of Texas and Oklahoma. In this case, Tech should mandate that Tubberville have his mouth stapled shut.

The Big XII will survive because Oklahoma and Texas allow it survive. If these two along with Oklahoma State and Texas A&M follow along with the program, the Big XII will continue on. All they have to do is find two more teams wanting a chance at the BCS, and bingo, a live living conference.

**DonkeyJote** · 07-03-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Perfect Zero

The only reason Tech was in the running for the PAC was because of Texas and Oklahoma. In this case, Tech should mandate that Tubberville have his mouth stapled shut.

The Big XII will survive because Oklahoma and Texas allow it survive. If these two along with Oklahoma State and Texas A&M follow along with the program, the Big XII will continue on. All they have to do is find two more teams wanting a chance at the BCS, and bingo, a live living conference.

It's not about finiding two teams to fill. It's about finding the right teams. Adding any combination of Boise, BYU, TCU, Houston, etc. is just going to lower they payout to all the teams, including the prized free agents Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma. Then those teams bolt.

I don't see this conference lasting long term. Tech, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and K-State don't have options now, but the moment they do, they'll be gone.

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