Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

[Megatron2k7]

Re: Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

I love this thread. I feel like I've finally met up with some fellow gamers who understand football, and how important it is to fix these ridiculous ratings. I've been fixing my own rosters for the last few years now, and it's definitley a time consuming hobby. Many thanks and kudos to any of you who are in the same boat.

Awareness is gonna be tough.

It may be too hard to accurately rate players without sprinkling in some opinion.

Rating a players awarness based off of their overall score - 10 + yrs in the league might not work very well.

Take for example, an old Punter who's leg strength has diminished a lot in his older yrs, yet his kick accuracy is still high. His overall rating would suffer greatly from the lack of kick power, and each year that his leg continued to get weaker, his awareness would never be able to go up while his reducing kick power kept dragging down his overall.

I am disgusted when I play franchise mode in Madden 10 and I see my veterans dropping Awareness points at the end of a season. Why they program the game to do this is insanely silly. Its like they don't truely understand what their own rating even means. I seriously have my doubts. lol.

I don't have a quick or simple answer for you on how to rate players awareness, but I do know, that the older players definitely need to have some physical attributes decllining, but their awareness needs to keep getting better until the day they retire imo.

Older players with physical skill diminishing still have a place on many teams. The Patriots signed Junior Seau last year, and even though for his age he is in great shape, he is no where near the physical specimen he was in his younger years. His awareness gained from all his experience still made him a better option to plug into their defense than many of the athletically superior young players on their team. I would give Seau an average to slightly below average overall rating based on his current skill set, yet he would need an awareness rating in the 90's at least. What would that do to his overall rating then...?

[Maelstrom-XIII]

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If anything, this discussion gives me a bit more respect for Donny Moore, who has to come up with a system (even if it is one that many of us have complaints about) for all this stuff...

@ Megatron2k7 - I agree that awareness shouldn't drop, UNLESS there's extenuating circumstances...you know, like you reach retirement age (65) while playing QB for the Vikings (ahemFavreahem). Senility is something, huh?

In all seriousness though, I'm all in favor of setting a ceiling for rookie awareness...I mean, it seems to me to be a solid system. On one hand, you can sort of contain rookie OVR better, and as far as the rookies performing worse than veterans (ie the rookie CB getting burned) I think that's okay, for the most part. Are there rookies who contribute very well? Yes. However, balance that with the amount of rookies who just look lost sometimes...A blown coverage against a veteran receiver and a veteran QB is something to be expected. And rookies are often benchwarmers, role players or special teamers until they can progress a bit. I think it fits fairly well with what we see on Sundays (and Monday and Thursday nights)...and I'm not certain that other attributes are a fair example of starters vs backups. As Megatron pointed out, Seau was athletically inferior to many players on the Patriots roster (so his attributes would've been lower) but his awareness, and field intelligence is what put him in the lineup.

Thoughts?

[cubsball899]

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My problem with it being too low is, if it's the CPU, they will throw far too many INT's with an awareness of 20. Or, if it's a rookie CB on your team with an awareness of 20, he will get beat almost every time. I think awareness would play too big of a role, compared to the QB's throwing power and accuracy or in the CB's case, the coverage. I think every system will have its flaws, and it seems like the more detailed you get, the harder it is to make it a universal system. IMO, DCEBB has the best system with just subtracting 10 from overall, and adding from there based on how many years in league. It won't matter if they are a bench warmer or a starter, because that's what the other attributes are for.

I must say this thread is what CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is all about!

but when everybody's rating is fixed that wouldn't be an issue... the CB you mention wouldn't be getting burned by every joe schmo WR in the league with poor route running or something, but if you have your poor CB covering Larry Fitzgerald you better be damn sure to double team him every time... ya feel me?


as far as awareness for veterans...i kinda tie it into route running for an aging WR.... he may lose a few steps or not be able to go up and pull down a jump ball anymore, but he has learned a few 'tricks of the trade' through his years in the league ya know what i mean? the WR won't be able to burn anyone at any time anymore but he may be able to set up his cuts better or he may be better at finding the soft spot in the zone and just always seems to be "on the same page" as his QB...

awareness is a very difficult concept to put a number on which is why i think they should slowly start deleting numerical ratings

also think that the formula for awareness doesn't quite work... i think it needs some human insight because the formula won't take into account guys who are just students of the game... the guys like Peyton Manning who are absolute football nerds, versus the guys like Randy Moss who get by on athletic abillity.... ya know?

[DCEBB2001]

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Terrible ratings for the Saints. Randall Gay higher ratings than both J.Greer and T.Porter come on now. Lot of other questionable ratings.

First of all, not all of the 17000 players have been updated. The players that have been updated have last names beginning with A, B, E, I, J, some K, N, O, P, Q, U, V, W, X, Y, Z. However, some rookies with these last names have also not been completed. Also, these ratings are from March ie: the offseason rating pre-draft. They will be updated again during training camp and the preseason with weekly updates to follow. Keep in mind that injuries also affect the OVR rating.

And since you asked, Porter is now an 86, Gay an 80, and Greer an 82 as of today. They just have to be updated and will be throughout the rest of the summer.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

I love this thread. I feel like I've finally met up with some fellow gamers who understand football, and how important it is to fix these ridiculous ratings. I've been fixing my own rosters for the last few years now, and it's definitley a time consuming hobby. Many thanks and kudos to any of you who are in the same boat.

Awareness is gonna be tough.

It may be too hard to accurately rate players without sprinkling in some opinion.

Rating a players awarness based off of their overall score - 10 + yrs in the league might not work very well.

Take for example, an old Punter who's leg strength has diminished a lot in his older yrs, yet his kick accuracy is still high. His overall rating would suffer greatly from the lack of kick power, and each year that his leg continued to get weaker, his awareness would never be able to go up while his reducing kick power kept dragging down his overall.

I am disgusted when I play franchise mode in Madden 10 and I see my veterans dropping Awareness points at the end of a season. Why they program the game to do this is insanely silly. Its like they don't truely understand what their own rating even means. I seriously have my doubts. lol.

I don't have a quick or simple answer for you on how to rate players awareness, but I do know, that the older players definitely need to have some physical attributes decllining, but their awareness needs to keep getting better until the day they retire imo.

Older players with physical skill diminishing still have a place on many teams. The Patriots signed Junior Seau last year, and even though for his age he is in great shape, he is no where near the physical specimen he was in his younger years. His awareness gained from all his experience still made him a better option to plug into their defense than many of the athletically superior young players on their team. I would give Seau an average to slightly below average overall rating based on his current skill set, yet he would need an awareness rating in the 90's at least. What would that do to his overall rating then...?

The thing is that the OVR is set FIRST. So if an old kicker like Vinatieri loses KPW, his AWR will keep rising to make up for the loss. Get it? The -10 is a starting point that is then refined and adjusted.

[DCEBB2001]

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also think that the formula for awareness doesn't quite work... i think it needs some human insight because the formula won't take into account guys who are just students of the game... the guys like Peyton Manning who are absolute football nerds, versus the guys like Randy Moss who get by on athletic abillity.... ya know?

Well the idea is that the OVR-10+EXP will be a starting base that can then be edited. But to begin, it keeps everyone on even ground.

[rice_n_gravy]

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i like the site but as many said the ratings on some of the guys ........ Bunkley is a better DT than Cole is DE ?

EDIT: o i see Cole didnt get updated yet

[DCEBB2001]

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i like the site but as many said the ratings on some of the guys ........ Bunkley is a better DT than Cole is DE ?

EDIT: o i see Cole didnt get updated yet

Yeah, it takes some time to get through 17000 players as you could guess. There will be more updates in August.

[at23steelers]

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Yeah, it takes some time to get through 17000 players as you could guess. There will be more updates in August.

How many times do you have to say that, until people fully grasp what that means? haha

[DCEBB2001]

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How many times do you have to say that, until people fully grasp what that means? haha

As many times as necessary until people DO grasp it. Makes me wonder if people actually read the stuff on the forums. But I don't mind repeating myself if need be so people actually get it...

[rice_n_gravy]

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As many times as necessary until people DO grasp it. Makes me wonder if people actually read the stuff on the forums. But I don't mind repeating myself if need be so people actually get it...

honestly

I read the title of the thread and just clicked the link

[vaderdog]

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So I am assuming that Keith Rivers from the Bengals is not a 40? As far as the rerating goes?

[DCEBB2001]

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So I am assuming that Keith Rivers from the Bengals is not a 40? As far as the rerating goes?

He was on IR last season. IR will bring most players down to a 40. However, when he is updated to the offseason rating he will be around an 80.

[vaderdog]

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I was assuming that you had a good reason. However he was not on the IR last year. Maualuga did end up on the IR at the end of the season.

[DCEBB2001]

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I was assuming that you had a good reason. However he was not on the IR last year. Maualuga did end up on the IR at the end of the season.

Oh that's right...he was out 3 games with a calf injury late in the season.