NHL 11 Video: Disallowed Goal, Is it a Goal or Not?

[kapenn90]

Re: NHL 11 Video: Disallowed Goal, Is it a Goal or Not?

Ok, its a nice feature but isn't it implemented wrong? If the ref waves it off, shouldnt the play continue until the next whistle...then, get it reviewed on video.

No the play would be blown dead.

Awesome feature though. This is off topic, but it looked like there were quite a few empty seats. That would be cool if they had differences in attendance from Atlanta to say Philly

[onlybygrace]

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No the play would be blown dead.

Awesome feature though. This is off topic, but it looked like there were quite a few empty seats. That would be cool if they had differences in attendance from Atlanta to say Philly

I noticed that as well...dynamic attendance, maybe???

[plaidchuck]

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Ok I see now the D was human controlled, my bad on that one. I still don't like how you are trapped in that skate away animation. About the goal I am pretty sure the goal will count as you can pause the clip at about 0:44.5 and see the entire blade is still under the crossbar(from that camera angle at least). This reminds me of a goal Crosby scored against Buffalo that was reviewed and was allowed as the puck hit his stick JUST below the crossbar and was allowed.

Now since the goal was waved off the "war room" would have to have overwhleming evidence to reverse the call all the ice. It'll be interesting to see if they make the right call 100% of the time or what. In real life this could be difficult based on what footage they have, but I think in the game this will count.

[Eski33]

Either way, that ...... was ...... AWESOME!!!

[Gagnon39]

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Okay, first of all, that was freaking SICK!

Secondly, and unfortunately, I think ALL of the disallowed goals in this game will be from high sticks. I'd seriously doubt that there will be any reviews whether or not a puck crossed the goal line, or whether it hit the crossbar or the back of the net and bounced out. I guess we'll see, but I'm willing to bet that all the reviews are just simply high sticks.

[Blaze125]

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Okay, first of all, that was freaking SICK!

Secondly, and unfortunately, I think ALL of the disallowed goals in this game will be from high sticks. I'd seriously doubt that there will be any reviews whether or not a puck crossed the goal line, or whether it hit the crossbar or the back of the net and bounced out. I guess we'll see, but I'm willing to bet that all the reviews are just simply high sticks.

What about if there was a kicking motion?

I think it's a goal. It looks like the blade is just below the crossbar when he hits the puck.

[plaidchuck]

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Okay, first of all, that was freaking SICK!

Secondly, and unfortunately, I think ALL of the disallowed goals in this game will be from high sticks. I'd seriously doubt that there will be any reviews whether or not a puck crossed the goal line, or whether it hit the crossbar or the back of the net and bounced out. I guess we'll see, but I'm willing to bet that all the reviews are just simply high sticks.

They have stated that there will be reviews for pucks kicked in.

[BlueNGold]

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My jaw dropped when I seen that goal/non-goal. That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

Awesome to know Rammer. Thanks for the clarification.

That isn't Rammer.

[Mikey88]

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Wow great sequence there! First off, I love the hit Kubina puts on Kessel - looks really good..On Kulemin's backhand - goalie is down really early, but i see that happen all the time with goalies.. and the bat-in IMO is definitely a goal.

[Gagnon39]

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Well, I think it was a goal. So what happens? Are they going to show us the rest of this video? Does it get reviewed and declared a goal? There's no way his stick was above the crossbar.

[BooShay]

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My jaw dropped when I seen that goal/non-goal. That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.



That isn't Rammer.

I was gunna say, i dont think that rammer lol

[KraZe]

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Ok, its a nice feature but isn't it implemented wrong? If the ref waves it off, shouldnt the play continue until the next whistle...then, get it reviewed on video.

With that play, the puck had actually entered the net, and everyone considered the play dead. It was the Ref's decision at that point to waive off the goal because of the potential high-stick.

If it was something like a puck being shot from the blue-line, hitting a post and bouncing back into play, the goal judge may put the light on, but everyone may consider the play to still be alive thinking the puck hit the post. Once the play is dead, the play may be reviewed to find that, infact, the puck stuck the rear crossbar inside the net, therefore, good goal.

(I hope that made sense)

[Diehardfan]

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With that play, the puck had actually entered the net, and everyone considered the play dead. It was the Ref's decision at that point to waive off the goal because of the potential high-stick.

If it was something like a puck being shot from the blue-line, hitting a post and bouncing back into play, the goal judge may put the light on, but everyone may consider the play to still be alive thinking the puck hit the post. Once the play is dead, the play may be reviewed to find that, infact, the puck stuck the rear crossbar inside the net, therefore, good goal.

(I hope that made sense)

In the Hawks-Sharks 2010 playoff round there was a similar play where the ref waved off the goal and they kept right on playing for over 2 minutes before a whistle...it was at that time they did the review. The ref in the video waves it off immediately, so play could or maybe should have continued.

[KraZe]

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In the Hawks-Sharks 2010 playoff round there was a similar play where the ref waved off the goal and they kept right on playing for over 2 minutes before a whistle...it was at that time they did the review. The ref in the video waves it off immediately, so play could or maybe should have continued.

I'd have to see the play you're referring to, as I can't remember it off the top of my head, but every play is different. It depends on the reaction of the players/puck/referee.

Just because the ref came in right away to wave off a goal doesn't mean the play should just go on. In this scenario, there was no question the puck went in the net, and the immediate reaction is "Puck in Net = Dead Play". The ref made the decision at that point in time (which would be post-whistle due to the puck crossing the goal-line) that it was a bad goal and would be reviewed.

[actionhank]

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Not sure I agree with any of your observations.

1. I think we saw in NHL 10 w/ shooting from the knees and bat in goals that EA is very good at finding the right frequency for these sort of "wow" moment goals. I could certainly be wrong, but based on my experience w/ NHL 10, and the fact that I saw nothing even close to this from two days of playing NHL 11 late in May, I would say you needn't have to worry about this.

2. Warps around him? Not sure I notice what you mean. Looks like he just side steps the sprawling body and picks up the puck. Maybe could have been a bit more of an impact between Kessel and the forward who took the backhand, but not much. Nothing that really bothers me at least.

3. Both Atlanta d-men were human controlled. Red icon above the guy who throws the hit, and blue icon about the guy who skates away. Only Thrashers players in the clip who weren't human controlled was the goalie and the guy who made a break towards the Leafs' player who took the backhander.

With all that said, the puck physics are a bit off there but I think it's still an awesome clip. Since 110% realistic isn't possible on this generation of hardware, I think everything from the original hit to the blocker save to Kessel swinging from his back on the ice to the actual "collision" between the puck mid-air and stick itself are all awesome examples of the tech driving this year's game, and of a really cool hockey play. Then of course the fact that it's waived off and reviewed is just icing on the cake.

Basically everything good about that play far outweighs anything negative imo.

If you watch Kessel as he falls, his head and shoulders hit the guy who ends up taking the shot on net, but neither of them really react to it.
He just kind of moves off his path a bit, but doesn't "react" with an animation of any kind.

Not that it matters a whole lot, just a minor issue.
I just hope that if you lay a big hit on someone, and they go into another player, you don't just have some guy falling and people sliding out of the way with a skating animation.