NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

[RaychelSnr]

The same writer had the game for several weeks before writing his review and gave the game a 9 (exceptional.) Has the rating changed since then? He must never have gotten to year 2 of his dynasty during that time.

I didn't writenthe review for the game, Christian McLeod did. If you notice I post all of the articles, but I'm certainly not writing 2-3 a day (much less under 12 different column names)

[RaychelSnr]

I took the original post by the OS writer as him using the "broken" recruit ratings/progression/whatever as a crutch to prop us his argument that dynasty mode is stale and needs to be overhauled. From my standpoint, the two things are mutually exclusive of each other. The ratings/progression/whatever problem would presumably be the same even if dynasty mode was focused on the coaches, as he lobbies for. And even if that problem didn't exist or is fixed, I don't think that'll satisfy what he's looking for.

They are mutually exclusive to a certain point. But the real point I'm making is that this brokenness is the result of developers trying to put a fresh coat of paint on a el camino and calling it exciting again.

For those who have played the series for a long time you'll agree: Dynasty mode, at it's core, is the exact same mode it was in 1998. The year is now 2010, I think it's time to rethink the entire process and formula dynasty has gone with for 13 years because yes, it is incredibly stale. You dont have to reinvent the wheel, but at least put some focus back into it (ie be the coach).

Right now, what are you in dynasty mode? The coach? If so then it hardly scratches the surface of the college fb coaching world and on that point alone: it's a highly flawed concept.

[RaychelSnr]

I posted this as a comment to the blog, but it's not showing up in the forum so forgive me for crossposting.

I'm confused. Player ratings are not where they should be and that makes the mode "stale"? I think you're trying to prove a point about apples by talking about oranges.

If you are going to make an argument about a game being stale, you need to address the actual mechanics of the game and how tired they may be. For example, the core football gameplay (where the most time is spent), which most everyone has thoroughly lauded, or recruiting interface, which EA changed this year, and I think for the better. Or the Dynasty Wire in Online Dynasty, which is a very underrated addition.

You may have a point about something, and I want coaches to matter more as much as the next guy, but I don't think this article effectively argues that NCAA is "stale."

As I said before, it's just another symptom of an aging system in need of a reboot.

[BaylorBearBryant]

Honestly, over the past two days, I've read the same thing about 5,000 times. There's no point to continue beating a dead horse.

Instead, I would like to know when we can realistically expect EA to get us a fix. Or how could we go about getting on their butts to correct it?

Out of all the posts on this thread, claystone's is the only one that even registered with me. He suggested EA should allow users to edit all ratings on all teams for all years. It might not be perfect, but at least he's thinking progressively.

I suggest the rest of us begin to do so...

[fcboiler87]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

Honestly, over the past two days, I've read the same thing about 5,000 times. There's no point to continue beating a dead horse.

Instead, I would like to know when we can realistically expect EA to get us a fix. Or how could we go about getting on their butts to correct it?

Out of all the posts on this thread, claystone's is the only one that even registered with me. He suggested EA should allow users to edit all ratings on all teams for all years. It might not be perfect

While that proposal would be a fix, it is absolutely ludracris. If EA just got things right to begin with, it would be no worry. Why should we have to fix what should have been right to begin with? Last year's game was great as far as ratings and progression. Why did it have to be changed? Were people complaining? No, not really. Now, everyone is up in arms because it has been effectively destroyed.

[jfsolo]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

I'm always disappointed when officially sanctioned writers given in and use the same tired buzz words that choke the life out of the discussions in the forums. Oh, well it is what it is.

We see now the true fallout from the ridiculousness that went on last year when there was a more prominent developer presence on the football boards. Last year we would have at least been given an acknowledgement of their awareness of the pressing issues, and a rough estimate of when it might be fixed.

This year, total silence. This is probably a smart move on their part, better to wait until they are ready to release the next patch, but for us its much more nerve wracking to have to have no idea when they might remedy the situation.

[BaylorBearBryant]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

While that proposal would be a fix, it is absolutely ludracris. If EA just got things right to begin with, it would be no worry. Why should we have to fix what should have been right to begin with? Last year's game was great as far as ratings and progression. Why did it have to be changed? Were people complaining? No, not really. Now, everyone is up in arms because it has been effectively destroyed.

So a fix is ludacris? What do you want man? For it to be right in the first place?

BREAKING NEWS! THIS JUST IN! It's a little late for that.

Let's send them a petition or a letter. Get one of the OS contacts to try and get an update. Perhaps strike up a boycott of their products. Doing that would be productive, our ranting is not.

[fcboiler87]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

So a fix is ludacris? What do you want man? For it to be right in the first place?

BREAKING NEWS! THIS JUST IN! It's a little late for that.

Let's send them a petition or a letter. Get one of the OS contacts to try and get an update. Perhaps strike up a boycott of their products. Doing that would be productive, our ranting is not.

No ####. I realize it's too late for that. I'm saying for next year's edition. Or like it should have been this year because they shouldn't have messed with it. I don't want to have to work a million times harder to change player's ratings to make the game accurate like it already should be. EA should be able to patch fix the ratings and such just like they did last year instead of giving us an option to do it ourselves.

However, I will agree with your last part.

[ABR173rd]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

I have also noticed that after 4 or 5 seasons the players you recruit and their progression ceiling being really low,I believe this is patchable and hopefully it will be.Someone here also mentioned the new max progression gimmick EA is selling for NCAA dynasty,now that may fix the problem on the user controlled team but as stated by the OP the rest of the cpu teams in the game get progressively worse as you go deeper and deeper into dynasty.....


It boggles my mind how EA can pay people to play test its game and yet no one notices these kinds of things before the game is released and most people here have noticed it within a few days of having the game??????

[KG]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

I see another one of these threads and I am going to just quit coming to the NCAA forum. Matter of fact, hell i am done with this forum. It is STUPID here!

I'm curious to see how it affects our OD. Might have to change up my recruiting approach a lil.

[Hooe]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

As I said before, it's just another symptom of an aging system in need of a reboot.

Not to be argumentative here (...but I am...), but what exactly gameplay-wise needs to be rebooted in Dynasty mode? The way I see it, the mode has at least linearly improved year-over-year, and online dynasty in particular is the main reason I even buy NCAA Football at all.

On top of that, there's only so many ways that one can emulate building a college football program in video game form. While I acknowledge the merits of the historic program scenario proposal in your article, I'd posit that most people buying NCAA Football would rather play with their current-year teams.

That the act of recruiting is actually a significant gameplay challenge this year ought to be a welcome enough change gameplay-wise to warrant some praise, IMO.

Finally, while I do agree that there needs to be more emphasis on the head coach of each team in Dynasty mode, my ultimate point now is that what exists now is, IMO, more than fine, and there's no reason to just throw everything out and start over.

[fcboiler87]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

Not to be argumentative here (...but I am...), but what exactly gameplay-wise needs to be rebooted in Dynasty mode? The way I see it, the mode has at least linearly improved year-over-year, and online dynasty in particular is the main reason I even buy NCAA Football at all.

On top of that, there's only so many ways that one can emulate building a college football program in video game form. While I acknowledge the merits of the historic program scenario proposal in your article, I'd posit that most people buying NCAA Football would rather play with their current-year teams.

That the act of recruiting is actually a significant gameplay challenge this year ought to be a welcome enough change gameplay-wise to warrant some praise, IMO.

Finally, while I do agree that there needs to be more emphasis on the head coach of each team in Dynasty mode, my ultimate point now is that what exists now is, IMO, more than fine, and there's no reason to just throw everything out and start over.

Perhaps an answer...

I can't even play offline dynasty anymore. I have played offline dynasty like crazy on this game forever. But recruiting is SO SLOW if you want to do it correctly and that's the only way I can do it. It gets to be so tedious. It doesn't help the fact that all the menus within recruiting are incredibly laggy and slow. The idea of the recruit phone call is great, but it just gets so repetitive.

Why change up dynasty? Because it has been the same mode for a while. Chris makes a great point. Who are you in dynasty mode? It should be a coach mode. I could go on about the coaching carousel aspect that has been beat like a dead horse, but that is what NEEDS to happen. Just like that article says. It would make dynasty mode an excellent, refreshed mode.

[haze56]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

Is everybody gonna have to quit their online dynasties now? I mean there's no point in continuing when we all know what will happen.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

Is everybody gonna have to quit their online dynasties now? I mean there's no point in continuing when we all know what will happen.

I would assume so. Which is why I'm not starting one til this gets all sorted out.

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

1) What grown man with any type of personal life has the time to play 8-25 years in dynasty mode?

2) This problem needs to be fixed hands down.

3) EA would do themselves a great service and take a very close look at hiow 2k implimented dynasty mode into their game...from recruiting to recruit ratings.

4) I guess until this is patched the only thing a hardcore gamer can do do is to create a max number of create-a-recruits