NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

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Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

As many of you may know already -- and if you don't it's okay because I'm about to enlighten you -- NCAA's dynasty mode is horribly broken this year.

Since EA Tiburon made the decision to rate recruits lower coming into school (but yet I guess forget to work on the progression of the game), most teams end up with middle of the road talent after years 4 or 5. It's like all of the football talent in America dries up after this year and all you are left with are a bunch of players rated in the 70s. I did a sim to see how bad it was and my Oklahoma Sooners went from a team with A ratings to a team with C+ ratings, yet they still won the Big XII in Year 7 with that kind of talent. Mostly because Texas had slipped to a team with C-s across the board. Baylor actually was rated as D+ (roughly where such powerhouses as UL Monroe and Western Kentucky lie today).

To me -- this just shows how horribly stale Dynasty mode is in NCAA.

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It always seems games take a couple big steps forward in one area and a couple steps back in another area. When they take the steps back, it's usually in an area that they had previously done well. I thought the dynasty's in previous versions were fun and you could play multiple seasons without running into the issues that I am seeing/hearing about with this year's game.

It just gets old. You want to love the game because it's beautiful, it plays a good game of football, but the nagging issues that us sim players want are either missing or completely broken. The sad part is, I don't think a patch could fix all the issues with dynasty.

Two steps forward, two steps back... I want to say and believe that progress is being made, but my brain tells me to not really believe that.

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Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

That's the one beautiful thing about SCEA, in my opinion. They're active in these forums and tell us when they can and can't give out information. You can guarantee that if this was The Show we were talking about, Kolbe would be in here telling us everything he possibly could.

EA ... not so much.

I am not sticking up for EA here, but in the past I've seen developers come on these forums and get blasted. Most of the complaints were valid but you can't just rip on someone's work in a disrespectful and abusive manner and expect them to stick around. There's a way to talk to people constructively and it was proven that a lot of people that would communicate here did not have that ability. Again, I am not sticking up for EA, but after seeing some of the threads that I saw, I can understand why they would steer clear of this place.

Does some of that fall on EA? Sure, with the other company being discussed, they obviously have a track record of listening to the masses and being receptive to their customers. So it's really a double-edged sword at this point. Hopefully in the future, we will get more chances to have some interaction with EA's developers. But here's a thought, too... Perhaps they are actively reading these forums and working on the problems so they can get a patch out. It's a little too early for me to start verbally attacking the developers and accusing them of not caring. I truly believe they want their game to be top-notch -- look at some of the strides they made in this year's game. The game is downright beautiful at times. They missed on some aspects this year, but let's see if they can fix the problems.

[BIG17EASY]

Re: NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

I am not sticking up for EA here, but in the past I've seen developers come on these forums and get blasted. Most of the complaints were valid but you can't just rip on someone's work in a disrespectful and abusive manner and expect them to stick around. There's a way to talk to people constructively and it was proven that a lot of people that would communicate here did not have that ability. Again, I am not sticking up for EA, but after seeing some of the threads that I saw, I can understand why they would steer clear of this place.

Does some of that fall on EA? Sure, with the other company being discussed, they obviously have a track record of listening to the masses and being receptive to their customers. So it's really a double-edged sword at this point. Hopefully in the future, we will get more chances to have some interaction with EA's developers. But here's a thought, too... Perhaps they are actively reading these forums and working on the problems so they can get a patch out. It's a little too early for me to start verbally attacking the developers and accusing them of not caring. I truly believe they want their game to be top-notch -- look at some of the strides they made in this year's game. The game is downright beautiful at times. They missed on some aspects this year, but let's see if they can fix the problems.

I'm sure people from EA are reading these forums, and you're also right that a lot of people here complain and attack EA too much, which may scare them away. But that happens on any board -- except maybe the College Hoops 2K board. The good thing about SCEA is Kolbe responds to the posters who give constructive criticism or post about the problem they're having and ignores all the people who just spout off. And the fact that he does that quiets a good amount of people who just want to rip the game while also pleasing the people who post the constructive criticism.

A simple post from someone at EA saying, "We're aware of the problem and we're working on a patch," or "We believe the game works correctly as is and do not have plans to release a patch dealing with progression/recruit ratings," would certainly go a long way. The second of those answers would cause a firestorm for a week or two, but at least the general public would have some info and we would be able to put this to rest. Instead, we're left in the dark, at least for now.

[kingkilla56]

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I have a question about all this progression stuff. More like, trying to read into minds of certain gamers:

Out of curiosity, why do some buy a new game, then sim ahead 5, 10, 15+ years? What's the point? I mean, simming past this current season, I can understand. You may want to start building a new dynasty from scratch, so simming 1 year ahead makes sense to me.

But more than that? See, I guess I'm a different kind of gamer. I like playing along with the current season, then taking a break and starting up again when the real next season begins. I never sim; I play every game just like real life.

So I guess I don't really understand the point of simming so far ahead to see what, how progression is "broken?" I mean, isn't that similar to renting a movie only to fast forward right to the end? Or skipping right to the end of a book for that matter, to see if you like it?

It's not just here, I see this in The Show forums, and Madden as well.Guys buying these games and within three days, already simmed to the season 2016, for example. Again, what are you looking for?

As to the question of " How did the testers miss this???" I'd venture a guess that they don't sim either; they probably play for hours on end looking for immediate bugs and glitches. Also, the devs probably figure that most hardcore gamers will only play for this year, then piddle around in offseason, then buy next year's game, do it again, and so on.

This is kinda long, I know. Again my question is, why sim so far ahead instead of play out each game in the current season, then proceed to the offseason? What are you looking for?

Thanks...

They're plenty reasons why people are in the 2016 season. They aren't looking to find the progressions issues or maybe they are. But who are you to criticize them for playing the game the way they want and stumbling upon what they feel are errors in the programing. I dont understand when guys post complaints about the guys who are complaining.

I am in season 2018 because i purely simmed the career of a head coach. I started at a small school. Simmed years down the line while i manually recruited made schedules redshirted etc. And eventually i take another job and play games here and there, mostly championship and bowl games. If i played every game it would be too time consuming and i'd probably win 7 out of 8 BCS championships.

And what did I happen to find? Messed up ratings across the nation. I WAS NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING. I was simply playing the game. How else can someone find an error in a game without paying it? Dont assume everybody is head hunting to bash EA. Thats not the case.

EDIT: "Also, the devs probably figure that most hardcore gamers will only play for this year, then piddle around in offseason, then buy next year's game, do it again, and so on."

So what? Thats an excuse for dynasty to get worse after the first year? Because some people only play a seasons worth of dynasty mode its okay for the later years to turn into JV football? I think madden mentality is steering your view on this matter.

[Deegeezy]

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It is really time for EA to pay more attention to detail on their games. It is inexcusable for a video game to have this many flaws and glitches year-in, year-out.

[KG]

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Woah! I'm shocked! The same game that was supposed to be the "savior of the NCAA Football series" has major problems! Give it up guys, it's like this every year! First we hear about what a great game it is and how it's the best football game ever! Then a couple of weeks later, we find out that it has major problems. Every year Chris calls the new NCAA football the best ever, only to call the previous year's iteration complete trash. EVERY YEAR!

EA hasn't made a decent NCAA without a major problem since 2006 on last gen. They just don't get it. I haven't bought since '09 because it's pretty much the same game with a few minor enhancements. I lol at all the times EA talks about how they have totally revamped something when really all the did was add a little polish to it.

In the words of the great Luther Vandross: "It all ends up the same. It's never gonna change."

I think people this year are generally happy this year about the game as it plays out on the field. Are there issues relating to gameplay? Of course, but so far it's the best next-gen offering we've had.

[Mdwills3521]

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I haven't had this much fun since NCAA Football 07. I guess I'm pretty good with playing with what I'm given, or I just love Arkansas too much . I'm in year 4 and there's three top teams Arkansas, PSU, and Alabama. Honestly the level of the recruiting class and progression is random so save and redo. Creating custom players isn't hard. As far as I'm concerned this game is for the month before the season and during the season the 6 days it's not on.Once the patch is administered do we have to start over???

I'm not mad at you guys for wanting the best. This argument is getting repetitive. If anyone responds to this please pm cause I won't be on for a while.

[bnoe1023]

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Why dont they just allow us to manually edit players ratings in Dynasty mode. That would alleviate much of these ratings problems

[sois]

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It is really time for EA to pay more attention to detail on their games. It is inexcusable for a video game to have this many flaws and glitches year-in, year-out.

Obviously you aren't too unhappy with it. You bought it and pimp an NCAA 11 dynasty in your sig. You can't have it both ways man. Either live with it or send a message with your wallet.

[TDTGodfather]

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Obviously you aren't to unhappy with it. You bought it and pimp an NCAA 11 dynasty in your sig. You can't have it both ways man. Either live with it or send a message with your wallet.

that's easier said than done. i've bought this game every year since '96. people who love it are sometimes the most vocal because they want the best for it and themselves.

i would probably play this game if it was 8 bit (and the only one offered) because i love sports gaming and i love coll fb.

[sois]

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that's easier said than done. i've bought this game every year since '96. people who love it are sometimes the most vocal because they want the best for it and themselves.

i would probably play this game if it was 8 bit (and the only one offered) because i love sports gaming and i love coll fb.

Well, let me just tell you that this is year one without NCAA for me since 2000 or so. It feels kind of good to demand excellence. I want to play the game but I know i will be disappointed with the dynasty mode so I'm staying away. Tiburon has lost a customer and I won't be back until the dynasty mode exceeds College Hoops 2K8.

[ps2king]

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Why dont they just allow us to manually edit players ratings in Dynasty mode. That would alleviate much of these ratings problems

It would still be a lot of work to edit all those rosters year in year out.

If I do keep NCAA 11. I'll have to stick to 5-7 year dynasties and hope there is a patch released soon.

[Deegeezy]

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Obviously you aren't too unhappy with it. You bought it and pimp an NCAA 11 dynasty in your sig. You can't have it both ways man. Either live with it or send a message with your wallet.

I think this is baloney. I never said this game was terrible. I never said I did not enjoy it. I just said that there are too many errors in the game and in many areas they should show more pride in the details of their work. The game has sloppy areas all over the place but that does not mean I should quit it all together.

Me not buying the game won't change a thing.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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I have a question about all this progression stuff. More like, trying to read into minds of certain gamers:

Out of curiosity, why do some buy a new game, then sim ahead 5, 10, 15+ years? What's the point? I mean, simming past this current season, I can understand. You may want to start building a new dynasty from scratch, so simming 1 year ahead makes sense to me.

But more than that? See, I guess I'm a different kind of gamer. I like playing along with the current season, then taking a break and starting up again when the real next season begins. I never sim; I play every game just like real life.

So I guess I don't really understand the point of simming so far ahead to see what, how progression is "broken?" I mean, isn't that similar to renting a movie only to fast forward right to the end? Or skipping right to the end of a book for that matter, to see if you like it?

It's not just here, I see this in The Show forums, and Madden as well.Guys buying these games and within three days, already simmed to the season 2016, for example. Again, what are you looking for?

As to the question of " How did the testers miss this???" I'd venture a guess that they don't sim either; they probably play for hours on end looking for immediate bugs and glitches. Also, the devs probably figure that most hardcore gamers will only play for this year, then piddle around in offseason, then buy next year's game, do it again, and so on.

This is kinda long, I know. Again my question is, why sim so far ahead instead of play out each game in the current season, then proceed to the offseason? What are you looking for?

Thanks...

I have to disagree with that. How many people play for just one year and then move on to NCAA 12? What would be the point of them adding recruiting, coaching goals, and so on to dynasty? They have to figure people will play more then 1 year. This is dynasty mode, right?

[Deegeezy]

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Probably the very first thing I would do if I was assigned to dynasty mode testing would be to sim 10 years into the future to see how the teams looked in comparison to the default rosters. That right there would be the starting point that would tell me what needs tweaking.

EA needs to be less secretive about their games and let a mass # of volunteers come to their facility to test things out. I would certainly do it.