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  • aceoye
    Rookie
    • Jul 2009
    • 355

    #106
    Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

    Originally posted by SteelerSpartan
    Good vid....I hope more start to pop up
    This isn't a rant, its a thoughtful breakdown of why this thing is going to kill the game for some people


    One thing I want made clear though

    This thing is slower and Less responsive then the previous system....period

    The Delay is small but its there..

    For people who make 1 or 2 changes you can get by....but for the guys who make 4 or more moves whether that be shifts,Hot Routes, Press is where this is killing the way they play

    No matter how much you "practice" or try and "get used to it"

    ^^^Im getting a little tired of people yelling that at people who have a problem with the SP......For some people you simply can't make the adjustments you used to make
    I really dont like the strategy pad but let me say I can still make my adjustments..before on other maddens I can make all my adjustments and then have like 10 seconds left on the play clock,now I can still make all my adjustments but Im having like 5-3 seconds left giving me a more realistic play clock timer in my opinion...even with 25 seconds runoff on madden 10 with the old audible system I could call them in like 5 seconds leaving still too many seconds on the clock

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    • SteelerSpartan
      MVP
      • Apr 2007
      • 2884

      #107
      Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

      Originally posted by Legend Killer
      Well bro I thought the same thing when I first tryed the pad for the first time 3 days ago. I said it was slow and took to much time. But since then I got use to it and I do my shifts before the AI snaps the ball. If you practice long enough and if you run the same line shiftss every down. Then after a little pratice you will do it without even thinking about it. Little hit here. Right after your D breaks the huddle start making the line shifts why they are heading to the LOS. That is what I do. But this is agait the AI offline. It might be different for online use. But I mainly play offline anyway.
      Im sorry but thats just wrong.....I start immediately as well....have the play already drawn up in my Head and I can't complete the ones I used to be able to do before

      Its not about getting "used to it" the intentionally added in delay limits the number of adjustments I can make

      EDIT: Im talking about the Defensive side of the ball....
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      • wangtangkiki
        Rookie
        • Dec 2009
        • 106

        #108
        Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

        I'm having trouble with this system.. I've almost got it down, but NO WHERE NEAR to what I could do last year.. Here's a video of defensive adjustments I would make to setup a GL Nano..

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        • stoncold32
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 3588

          #109
          Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

          Originally posted by wangtangkiki
          No one is talking about the run / pass glitch..
          The Strategy pad shows you if it's a run or a pass.. Come out in a run play, press any button on the D-Pad..

          You will notice that the up button has nothing listed.. like Hot Routes..

          I know you are running so I'll be prepared.. [This is a big concern for tournaments & playing against friends]

          Anyone else notice that trying to pinch the defense line has a huge lag? It had a lag last year at times but definitely not as bad as this.. The whole game lags for me but it's probably because it's a demo.

          This is like NCAA 10 where the camera would zoom out for a pass plays and not for runnings plays. Well when you did a PA pass, it would zoom out right when the ball was snapped. Thus rendering the PA ineffective b/c you knew from the camera it was gonna be a pass.

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          • aceoye
            Rookie
            • Jul 2009
            • 355

            #110
            Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

            Originally posted by wangtangkiki
            I'm having trouble with this system.. I've almost got it down, but NO WHERE NEAR to what I could do last year.. Here's a video of defensive adjustments I would make to setup a GL Nano..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcAwA3w4oI
            ..... hmmm

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            • TalenT
              Pro
              • Sep 2009
              • 713

              #111
              I'm referring to the complaints I've been seeing.
              Last edited by TalenT; 07-29-2010, 04:36 PM.
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              • DLight03
                Rookie
                • Feb 2010
                • 31

                #112
                Originally posted by Legend Killer
                Well bro I thought the same thing when I first tryed the pad for the first time 3 days ago. I said it was slow and took to much time. But since then I got use to it and I do my shifts before the AI snaps the ball. If you practice long enough and if you run the same line shiftss every down. Then after a little pratice you will do it without even thinking about it. Little hit here. Right after your D breaks the huddle start making the line shifts why they are heading to the LOS. That is what I do. But this is agait the AI offline. It might be different for online use. But I mainly play offline anyway.
                Hey Legend Killer. Are you on the PS3 or 360?

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                • bmj2k7
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 115

                  #113
                  im on ps3, and it may be more comfortable than using a 360 controller, but it sure isnt much better. u have to press up with the dpad, then chosse your wr then dpad for your route then another face button to exit the menu, madden 10 was a great game bc they finally removed using the dpad for most things, like pass rush and went to the joy sticks, which is funner and easier to use, and nw to go back to the dpad is kind of stupid in my opinion bc it is not only easier but funner when u barely ever have to use the dpad anymore, plus since there is another button u have to press b4 the snap u have less time to do so bc they snap the ball which makes it harder especially when your game speed is on fast or even normal. plus they need to fix the problem when u hit the qb he almost always the ball, which isnt realistic bc in real life they say either throw it away or take the sack (live to fight another day) bc if u throw when your getting hit its not going to go where u aimed so that means turnover a good portion of the time or even a touchdown. plus if u have a good offense on madden u can always win the battle vs a even better defense, ex i tear darrelle revis a new 1 even on all madden not always using reggie wayne, bc the toe touch which is why i hope next year i hope they add something to make it more even where the db's can catch bc revis, bailey, asomaugh, drc,woodson and many other actually can catch, just balance it out since 09 was a interception fest even using manning or brady, balance is something not done often on madden (which is why madden 04 was almost perfect) bc some int's but also some td passes and td runs

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                  • wangtangkiki
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 106

                    #114
                    Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                    I believe this error isn't in the final version. I just checked the E3 videos from K0ACHK's YouTube account. He did a run play & when he pressed the strategy pad, it showed Hot Routes.. Not for sure though..

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                    • wangtangkiki
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 106

                      #115
                      Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                      Originally posted by aceoye
                      ..... hmmm
                      Big deal.. I set up nanos.. I don't always blitz because that's not smart.. I still have to make adjustments to plays.

                      There are not enough plays in the playbooks that allow you to call a play then make no adjustment.. You have to adjust no matter what.. Sometimes that calls for 5 different adjustments.. Blitzing the A-gaps with two LBs.. then putting both DEs in contains while still having the DTs blitzing down.. It's difficult to do that in M11.. In M10.. It's simple.

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                      • Skyboxer
                        Donny Baseball!
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 20302

                        #116
                        Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                        Originally posted by wangtangkiki
                        Big deal.. I set up nanos.. I don't always blitz because that's not smart.. I still have to make adjustments to plays.

                        There are not enough plays in the playbooks that allow you to call a play then make no adjustment.. You have to adjust no matter what.. Sometimes that calls for 5 different adjustments.. Blitzing the A-gaps with two LBs.. then putting both DEs in contains while still having the DTs blitzing down.. It's difficult to do that in M11.. In M10.. It's simple.
                        So now I think the S-Pad was a brilliant move......
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                        • ryan36
                          7 dirty words...
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 10139

                          #117
                          Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                          Originally posted by Skyboxer
                          So now I think the S-Pad was a brilliant move......
                          I think to prevent this is a large part of the reason for the switch. Basically EA wishes you'd stop doing what you're doing

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                          • KensaiKatai
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                            • Oct 2008
                            • 303

                            #118
                            Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                            Originally posted by ryan36
                            I think to prevent this is a large part of the reason for the switch. Basically EA wishes you'd stop doing what you're doing
                            so they want us to run their unrealistic plays? if they gave us better plays to combat certain a.i. deficiencies then this wouldn't be an issue and. If people are happy with this because they couldn't keep up with the massive adjustments needed that's fine and all but it's not sim because the default playcalls out of the 4-3 are not realistic. Especially considering in real life, a lot of things are done presnap in order to throw off a quarterbacks reads. Again we shouldn't of been restricted, there should of been more ways to counter it.

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                            • roadman
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 26339

                              #119
                              Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                              Originally posted by KensaiKatai
                              so they want us to run their unrealistic plays? if they gave us better plays to combat certain a.i. deficiencies then this wouldn't be an issue and. If people are happy with this because they couldn't keep up with the massive adjustments needed that's fine and all but it's not sim because the default playcalls out of the 4-3 are not realistic. Especially considering in real life, a lot of things are done presnap in order to throw off a quarterbacks reads. Again we shouldn't of been restricted, there should of been more ways to counter it.
                              Then you need to come from a different angle. Based on that video, it's clear to me why EA put in the strategy pad. It's too bad they penalized straight players vs players that set up nanos.

                              I think instead of calling for the end of SP, people should start asking putting in more defensive plays for the 4-3.

                              Maybe that would be easier to patch or tune with their tuner.

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                              • Skyboxer
                                Donny Baseball!
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 20302

                                #120
                                Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                                Just give a more detailed playcalling system and or tiered system. Then the ton od pre snap adjustments wouldn't be needed.
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