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  • Scottdau
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 32580

    #136
    Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

    Originally posted by TJdaSportsGuy
    This is both one of the nerdiest and most genius things I've seen in a long long time.
    I know I agree. I was thinking "wow who the heck has this much time to figure this out", then after seeing the video and trying it I was like "wow he is right."

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    • aceoye
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      • Jul 2009
      • 355

      #137
      Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

      Originally posted by REDRZA
      You clearly only see what you want to on Sundays. Blitz heavy teams use overloads and all kinds of tactics that create havoc on offenses and oftentimes defensive plays burst right thru the LOS untouched.

      Every play? No, but it happens. Does L. Fitzgerald make rocket catches every down? NO, but he does make some catches like that.

      Im not judging the strategy pad until i play at least 20 full games. I think that once you use it over and over it will become second nature like the old config.

      If it does indeed wind up crippling the defense in any way, i am NOT going to be happy. I'm tired of offense dominating Madden. BALANCE is key.
      I agree with alot of what you said but overloads are not the same as nanos..for I play online alot(alot is a understatement) but when I run into a nano blitzer it just becomes very frustrating people are sacking me before my lineman can even get their arms up to block then I go to shotgun and I get just like a .2 seconds of time more and because of CBs pressing I cant even throw it to my wr after he burns the corner because Im sacked, Im not for or against the strategy pad really but Im on the leaning side to liking it because it stops BS like nanos..

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      • 2krunk4u
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        • May 2003
        • 80

        #138
        Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

        Originally posted by aceoye
        when does it happen.give me a situation, im not saying it doesnt happens I just want to know when
        1. Blocker standing 2cm away from a defender watches him go by.
        2. Corners playing flat zones let quick drag and flat routes to the sidelines demolish them.
        3. CPU quarterback gets rid of the ball before every attempted sack. Somehow grounding doesnt get called.
        4. Break tackle animations turn defenders into onlookers.
        5. Players either catching or swatting passes without ever attempting to look at the ball.
        6. DB's getting beat way too easily in man coverage when drag routes over the middle are ran.
        7. DB's that know the receivers route before they even make their cuts.
        8. Too many broken tackles by subpar players.
        9. KR running by the ball on squib kicks.
        10. Defensive players clearly looking at the ball not even reacting/jumping/swatting/intercepting the pass.
        ((cuff))*bankhead bounce*((cuff))

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        • aceoye
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          • Jul 2009
          • 355

          #139
          Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

          Originally posted by 2krunk4u
          1. Blocker standing 2cm away from a defender watches him go by.
          2. Corners playing flat zones let quick drag and flat routes to the sidelines demolish them.
          3. CPU quarterback gets rid of the ball before every attempted sack. Somehow grounding doesnt get called.
          4. Break tackle animations turn defenders into onlookers.
          5. Players either catching or swatting passes without ever attempting to look at the ball.
          6. DB's getting beat way too easily in man coverage when drag routes over the middle are ran.
          7. DB's that know the receivers route before they even make their cuts.
          8. Too many broken tackles by subpar players.
          9. KR running by the ball on squib kicks.
          10. Defensive players clearly looking at the ball not even reacting/jumping/swatting/intercepting the pass.
          Yea but how can a user particularly set these things up purposely to happen?

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          • 2krunk4u
            Rookie
            • May 2003
            • 80

            #140
            Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

            Originally posted by aceoye
            Yea but how can a user particularly set these things up purposely to happen?
            they dont

            hence

            Madden's AI abuses itself.
            ((cuff))*bankhead bounce*((cuff))

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            • RogueHominid
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2006
              • 10900

              #141
              Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

              I thought the video was pretty great. That said, I messed with the strategy pad just a bit and I don't see what the problem is. Practicing a few times in quick games gets the muscle memory down and it goes pretty quick from there, at least for me. I don't usually try to do more than one or two things per play, if that, though. I'd imagine for those that like to re-route everyone it could be a problem.

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              • aceoye
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                • Jul 2009
                • 355

                #142
                Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                Originally posted by 2krunk4u
                they dont

                hence

                Madden's AI abuses itself.
                yea but im talking about user generated, not cpu...nanos can only be done if a user does it.

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                • SteelerSpartan
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 2884

                  #143
                  Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                  Originally posted by Trojan Man
                  I thought the video was pretty great. That said, I messed with the strategy pad just a bit and I don't see what the problem is. Practicing a few times in quick games gets the muscle memory down and it goes pretty quick from there, at least for me. I don't usually try to do more than one or two things per play, if that, though. I'd imagine for those that like to re-route everyone it could be a problem.
                  bingo

                  If your the type of player who only makes 1 or 2 maybe 3 adjustments, maybe you get by ok


                  But there are others out there like me....who have to do a lot of adjusting just to get our Teams D to even remotely move like their real life counter parts

                  Even with the adjustments like we had before, the playbooks needed a lot of work......now this SP amplifies that X1000

                  These things don't have any personality or soul in them much at all
                  Here We Go Steelers!!! Here We Go!!!

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                  • nba2012
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                    • Jul 2010
                    • 88

                    #144
                    i disagree with this video ... i liked the strategy pad alot

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                    • Skyboxer
                      Donny Baseball!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20302

                      #145
                      Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                      Originally posted by SteelerSpartan
                      bingo

                      If your the type of player who only makes 1 or 2 maybe 3 adjustments, maybe you get by ok


                      But there are others out there like me....who have to do a lot of adjusting just to get our Teams D to even remotely move like their real life counter parts

                      Even with the adjustments like we had before, the playbooks needed a lot of work......now this SP amplifies that X1000

                      These things don't have any personality or soul in them much at all

                      Which, as I said before, leads to the root of the problem. The play design and play selection method need improving. If that was ok the S-Pad would be fine to everyone.
                      If the S-Pad hurts the cheesers then I'm all for the change and EA now needs to address the plays and play calling system.
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                      • roadman
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #146
                        Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                        Originally posted by Skyboxer
                        Which, as I said before, leads to the root of the problem. The play design and play selection method need improving. If that was ok the S-Pad would be fine to everyone.
                        If the S-Pad hurts the cheesers then I'm all for the change and EA now needs to address the plays and play calling system.
                        I agree a lot with this.

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                        • ahorton100
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                          • Jul 2009
                          • 22

                          #147
                          This video explains what I have been feeling since the demo came out. Thanks.

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                          • SteelerSpartan
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 2884

                            #148
                            Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                            Originally posted by Skyboxer
                            Which, as I said before, leads to the root of the problem. The play design and play selection method need improving. If that was ok the S-Pad would be fine to everyone.
                            If the S-Pad hurts the cheesers then I'm all for the change and EA now needs to address the plays and play calling system.

                            Hey Skyboxer.....do you really think EA could deliver on the type of sophistication that these Playbooks would need next year....heck given their track record, 3-4 years from now????

                            Keep in mind all of the threads LBzrule has had with Ian the past 1-2 years proclaiming how hard a change this would be...
                            Last edited by SteelerSpartan; 07-29-2010, 08:21 PM.
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                            • steelerspsufan
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                              • Jul 2010
                              • 4

                              #149
                              Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                              I think GoMadden made a valid point. While it is not impossible to use, there are more effecient ways of making preplay adjustments.

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                              • Skyboxer
                                Donny Baseball!
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 20302

                                #150
                                Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

                                Originally posted by SteelerSpartan
                                Hey Skyboxer.....do you really think EA could deliver on the type of sophistication that these Playbooks would need next year....heck given their track record, 3-4 years from now????

                                Keep in mind all of the threads LBzrule has had with Ian the past 1-2 years proclaiming how hard a change this would be...
                                Honestly? Not in the current state. One thing I'm positive of is the first step is to revamp the play calling and make it a tiered playcalling system.

                                Then there's the other option of releasing a full fledged play creator. The argument then would be the same cheesers will create cheese type of AI busting plays.
                                My response to that would be, let them.

                                We all have the choice to play randoms or established sim players. Back in the FPSFB days I played in a created plays only league and we all kept it real. IT WAS A BLAST!! Mainly due to not just the players on the field mattering but My O and D mind vs another humans O and D mind.

                                A real in depth play design system with play share(Like roster share) = A huge step forward IMO.
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