Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

[wangtangkiki]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

Smart Route is still in Madden 11.

[wangtangkiki]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

RC happens all the time in real life....Nano-ing, not at all. and why would I want to play against people who abuse the AI, you arent playing a game of football its more like who can abuse the AI the best.

RCing doesn't happen all the time.

I don't get the argument of nanoing not being a real football tactic. People that nano just abuse the AI.

Tell me how the defenses beat the offensive line.
Overloading a certain gap.. AKA Putting two LBs in the A-gap while having two DTs blitzing the Guards.. then having both DEs dropping back to cover..

They also use stunts.. or zone blitzes.. Stunts, you send linemans or linebackers into gaps other than the ones they are in front of.. You'll have a DT and DE switch gaps.. One will go first, then the other loops around him and goes through a certain gap. It's even more complex in a 3-4 system..

Zone Blitz are popular "nanos." People put DTs in QB Spys, then have both tackles covered.. so the DEs are engaged with the LT & RT. Next, you have two OLBs blitzing C-gaps. So you are wondering.. What about the LG/C/RG? Those two DTs in Spys will fake blitz to distract them, then they will drop back in Spys.. The spys are really used as yellow zones. You can't get as good of coverage with yellow zones as you can with spy zones..

You only want to do the spy technique with QBs that stay in the pocket.. or you could just put a slot WR on a slant in, then you roll out and throw to the middle of the field.


I don't buy that we "abuse" the AI. I use a defense that blitzes the A-gap like I described AND I use a defense that blitzes the C-gaps with OLBs.. and guess what!! I used the same formation for both..

[ThaShark28_316]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

I don't get what was so bad about the single/double tap system EA had for us in the ps2 days.

But oh well, this is fight night round 4 all over again. A giant patch made with a different button scheme.

I hate to say it, because i love madden (love it this year), but:

Gameflow and Strategy pad, two key additions (according to EA) in this year's game = BUST.

I think I overstated this (my post)

I think gameflow works IF I can set up my gameplan, and still use it in the conventional way. If not, it's a bust.

Strat pad might work if we could get some better methods on how to work it. We'll see in the coming weeks. I played the demo yesterday to check the SP out some more...I'm coming around ever so slowly.

I think I'll get this. Today, since I'm not doing jack, I'll set up the gameplan with Indy and run some stuff.

On topic though. It's going to take some getting used to. I think it'll work if we all embrace change and get ready to use it, because IMO, this is their best game of the next gen, and best overall madden since madden 06/07 on ps2.

[aceoye]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

RCing doesn't happen all the time.

I don't get the argument of nanoing not being a real football tactic. People that nano just abuse the AI.

Tell me how the defenses beat the offensive line.
Overloading a certain gap.. AKA Putting two LBs in the A-gap while having two DTs blitzing the Guards.. then having both DEs dropping back to cover..

They also use stunts.. or zone blitzes.. Stunts, you send linemans or linebackers into gaps other than the ones they are in front of.. You'll have a DT and DE switch gaps.. One will go first, then the other loops around him and goes through a certain gap. It's even more complex in a 3-4 system..

Zone Blitz are popular "nanos." People put DTs in QB Spys, then have both tackles covered.. so the DEs are engaged with the LT & RT. Next, you have two OLBs blitzing C-gaps. So you are wondering.. What about the LG/C/RG? Those two DTs in Spys will fake blitz to distract them, then they will drop back in Spys.. The spys are really used as yellow zones. You can't get as good of coverage with yellow zones as you can with spy zones..

You only want to do the spy technique with QBs that stay in the pocket.. or you could just put a slot WR on a slant in, then you roll out and throw to the middle of the field.


I don't buy that we "abuse" the AI. I use a defense that blitzes the A-gap like I described AND I use a defense that blitzes the C-gaps with OLBs.. and guess what!! I used the same formation for both..

Like I said I play online alot and I experience these nano blitzes all the time in madden they are not the football definition of nano its maddens definition and more than likely these blitzes are more than likely 100% effective every play..which is purely unrealistic.If these blitzes were 100% effective in the nfl why arent there any teams to do it? (and im not sayin you said it was)

[kc10785]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

<hr style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> First off awesome and intelligent out together video and explanation of the issue at hand

this is my question they say they do this to stop cheesers but 9 times out of 10 the people they look for cheats are noobs or young people that has been introduce to madden a couple of years ago. Everyone says "it's the same logic just different buttons and we will get used to it what's the big fuss". If that statement is true then adding these buttons is not going to stop nano blitzes cuz people will quote unquote learn quick and do the same scheme once we get over the learning curve. So when 4 or 5 months goes by we will have the same thing we been getting the last couple of years.

This is pure laziness at it's best if they say they did this to stop glitches and nano blitzing. You change something to make the process longer and hurt the people that knows football and likes to make multiple adjustments on the fly at the LOS. How bout fixing the engine and the awareness off offensive linemen to see if a man is rushing the A gaps to adjust. I mean i been reading people comments on this website since the demo came and people that are defending the change is not making a good point at all specially the ones that say this is a counter for online gaming. Overall my biggest beef with this is if NCAA team and Madden team bout work under the same company why couldn't they come together and agree upon a pre snap system so they can make the switch back and forth from the two games a easy switch?

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

<hr style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> First off awesome and intelligent out together video and explanation of the issue at hand

this is my question they say they do this to stop cheesers but 9 times out of 10 the people they look for cheats are noobs or young people that has been introduce to madden a couple of years ago. Everyone says "it's the same logic just different buttons and we will get used to it what's the big fuss". If that statement is true then adding these buttons is not going to stop nano blitzes cuz people will quote unquote learn quick and do the same scheme once we get over the learning curve. So when 4 or 5 months goes by we will have the same thing we been getting the last couple of years.

I'm confused with your first paragraph.

You say it's just new people that nano, but yet it's allowed in tournaments from what I understand. To me, that is not all "noobs."

Let's wait and see where this blog goes in the next 3-5 days before proclaiming the sky is falling.

[kc10785]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

I'm confused with your first paragraph.

You say it's just new people that nano, but yet it's allowed in tournaments from what I understand. To me, that is not all "noobs."

Let's wait and see where this blog goes in the next 3-5 days before proclaiming the sky is falling.

what im saying is you don't see most teenagers being in forums saying they want sim style gaming or complaining about nano blitzes it's usually the people that are long time madden heads. Also Lately majority of the tourneys i go to have strict defensive pre snap adjustment moves no cuz of the you tube nano glitches

[wangtangkiki]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

WOOT.. It's optional. I edited my post.. It was a long rant about what the blog would be about.. I was wrong.

[kehlis]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

WOOT.. It's optional. I edited my post.. It was a long rant about what the blog would be about.. I was wrong.

It's not optional.

[madcowboy]

Question? What happened to the Defensive Hot routes that were brought into madden 05, where you could assign corners and safety's individually? For example (PS2) you could press triangle, then the circle (for the reciever he is covering), then down on the right analog stick. That player would be playing bump and run and you could set your other corner to play off by performing up on the analog stick according to who he is covering. You could also shade the reciever's inside as well as outside. Why in the heck did that go away? Its still too much time to select your defensive backfield player before you can hot route him. I dont understand why EA is not building on technology that was present years ago.

[allen_denning]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

I really hate the SP cuz I'm handicapped & can't really even hit the d-pad on PS3. Also it makes u have to hit an extra button & for me, my hands move a little slower than yall's.

[JkA3]

great job on the breakdown of this video.

[sportyguyfl31]

I dont mind the pad. Nice that they are adding the option back..thats what is important

For the game to feel comfortable for everyone.

Thats what alterante control schemes are for.

[jstadlin]

yo its fine for ps3 they should just make an option between the two, but if everyone is using it, then truely no one playing an online or multiplayer mode should be at a disadvantage

[2krunk4u]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

I dont think some of you all are understanding this whole "options" thing.

I believe that whichever way you prefer will be tied into your profile. So it's all a thing of preference. If one person is more comfortable with the Strategy Pad rather than Playmaker Audibles then he/she will be able to use that method of calling audibles online (and vice versa).

Both audible systems can do the same things whether it's playing press coverage, line shifting, or doing individual player audibles. It's pretty much up to you whichever method you want to play with.

To my understanding it will be the same way online.