Madden NFL 11 Blog: GameFlow and The Strategy Pad

[KensaiKatai]

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Thank you for listening to us phil and ian. I will buy the game once the change is implemented, truly looking forward to it as this is the best madden 'gameplay' i've ever seen. It's all a moot point if i couldn't call the plays i wanted though. Thanks again.

Maybe for you it was, but not based on their stats they provided it wasn't a "stupid idea."

For every decision made, good or bad, there is a decision process and they had the stats to back that up.

Man, be grateful they put it back in. That didn't need to put it back in, but they did.

They can speak for themselves.

Those stats don't tell the whole story, it's like saying kirk morrison is a good mlb by the amount of tackles he had. There's so many variables involved but i won't get into that..i'm just glad they listened to us and responded. It might seem irrational to you but this issue was keeping me from buying the game for the first time in my life.

You say they didn't need to put it back in, i say they did if they wanted my purchase. it's that simple. and yes i am VERY grateful.

[KensaiKatai]

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I wish they would have addressed the default setting for online, regarding the strategy pad.

i'm assuming it will stick for online games, probably a main menu option. pure speculation on my part though.

[Bootzilla]

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Good news. Regardless of data, the strat pad, no matter how you slice it, takes longer to execute. I know cluttering up the screen is an issue but, having a pre-play bar ala NCAA is a better solution. Are they still looking into how quickly the cpu snaps the ball? That may help until the old system is reimplemented.

I understand attempting to appeal to less sophisticated gamers. Heck, I stopped playing baseball games because I'm a casual fan at best and once they started getting ultra complicated I bowed out. I'm used to Madden and the basketball games but could imagine how intimidating they would be to someone who is just picking them up. We've had an opportunity to grow with these games. Some of us (me) have been around since the inception of these games.

[kehlis]

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Thank you for listening to us phil and ian. I will buy the game once the change is implemented,

So now you are okay with change and options?

Do you not see how feedback can benefit everyone?

[SoxFan01605]

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Maybe for you it was, but not based on their stats they provided it wasn't a "stupid idea."

For every decision made, good or bad, there is a decision process and they had the stats to back that up.

Man, be grateful they put it back in. That didn't need to put it back in, but they did.

The stats only support the old way had flaws...a point that very few people deny. They don't support that the new way is actually better. The issue isn't that it was changed, as much as the change was actually (in some ways) less intuitive than the older way.

It's all moot now though. I'm very happy they are putting the option back in. I have no issues with anyone preferring the newer way, so it seems like a win-win here.

[KensaiKatai]

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So now you are okay with change and options?

Do you not see how feedback can benefit everyone?

now i'm ok? i don't quite understand what you mean...i've always been ok with change and options, we just didn't have the latter as far as the strat pad is concerned. Maybe this is what you were trying to say? forgive my confusion.

but as far as feedback, couldn't agree more, that's why i said what i did!

[kehlis]

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now i'm ok? i don't quite understand what you mean...i've always been ok with change and options,

No you haven't. According to you it ruins the vision of a game...Remember, according to you, developers make the game they want to make and consumer feedback is irrelevant. You have mentioned that on several occasions...

but as far as feedback, couldn't agree more, that's why i said what i did!

I agree with everything you have said about Madden...

[TreyIM2]

I said I wouldn't be surprised if they patched in the option to switch back to the old way, days ago, and now here we have confirmation. Woot! I do have to admit that have gotten fairly use to the Strategy Pad by making it intuitive in my own head after only 4 games of the demo.

What I hate with the Pad is how on offense, if u want to send a man in motion then bring him back to his original position, u can't audible back to the play like before to reset the player, since EA BEEN removed the ability to just send your guy back, manually, YEARS AGO (hint, hint, EA) without the audible reset move.

[TreyIM2]

Oh, and thank you, Mr. Frazier, for helping decide to patch the old pre-snap adjustments back in. Many of us know the issues with the old way but were used to canceling out of the screens we accidentally went into, with a quickness.

[qboy1021]

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Will the audible system be changed to the old version as well?

I play alot of offline 1 vs 1

Hate the fact when I see a 3-3-5 defense, I audible to a run but have to move to the word "run"; seeing that, my opponent then changes the defense to counter the run

[KensaiKatai]

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No you haven't. According to you it ruins the vision of a game...Remember, according to you, developers make the game they want to make and consumer feedback is irrelevant. You have mentioned that on several occasions...

hmm, well maybe i didn't explain myself well enough and for that i apologize.

Psychologically speaking, I'm a 'take it as it comes' kind of guy, and i judge everything by it's own merit, this blog included. The reason my outlook is like this is because it's the only way i can judge things by their own worth, not allow myself to fall into a destructive mentality even if things seem to be nothing but destructive around me..this is big to me, I'm not a fan of comparative analysis though sometimes it's necessary. this is because it allows me to better see things for what they are, approach it from a constructive angle, not be redundant (which allows your point of view to be noticed), and not allow myself to be bias.

As far as the Madden team and their vision is concerned, this action alone shows me that they aren't oblivious to consumer feedback or this patch wouldn't be occurring. I've stated numerously that i have faith that franchise mode will be improved in 2012 and that i'm actually looking forward to madden 2012. I think they are aware that this needs to be a priority largely because of consumer feedback. Just because they aren't talking, doesn't mean they aren't listening. (But alas they ARE talking, i have repeatedly said communication was everything, bad news is better than NO news) People have to remember they need to have the opportunity to listen before they can talk. The game hasn't even come out yet so this was very diligent of them. It's also just plain old good business.

As always, time and timing plays a huge factor in everything. Of course the developers make the game they want to make and they SHOULD. well really, it's a balance, kind of like how i approach my music. i make music for me and the audience. not one or the other. Real success lies within having as much perspective as possible.

This doesn't change the fact that i was livid about the strategy pad and that it would of effectively kept me from buying this years game. I can honestly say somewhere in my mind i thought that they would rectify this issue or i would of been wasting my time posting my impressions about it wouldn't i?

Options are a good thing, who doesn't like options? i'm a micromanaging fiend lol so i could never have enough options, as far as customization is concerned. (which reminds me.. allow us to edit more please! ) there's no reason to restrict anything. If i'm in a one person franchise i should be able to do basically whatever i wish at any point (switch teams, edit players ratings (this alone could solve draft class issues), etc)

I agree with everything you have said about Madden...

thanks, i hope that continues as i'm sure we both want the same thing. there's power in numbers and this alone proves that if we remain respectful, really try and understand where they are coming from, and make a strong enough point, they will listen!

[SubZero97]

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I hated the strat pad, but I like Ians reasoning.

It would stop alot of cheese IMO.

Alot of guys wouldnt be able to make 100 adjustments to get that advantage.

It would have even the playing field. Maybe 1 or 2 adjustments.

[MrSkagTrendy]

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Glad we can change it back. Did anyone else notice you can't reset to your original play on the strategy pad?

Also, will this address the issue of having to scroll through a quick formation audio and then having to select it?

[DGMikeBarker]

This shows 2 encouraging things....1) They're listening 2)they really DO know how people are using the game

All it shows is that they can read data, doesn't mean they've listened.

[DGMikeBarker]

The real problem is how fast the CPU snaps the ball. Hope they fix it with the new patch.