Madden NFL 11 Blog: GameFlow and The Strategy Pad

[jamaster14]

Re: Strategy Pad Update

Thank you EA for giving us gamers an OPTION to choose which set of controls we want to use. It takes alot of humility to go ahead and agree to patch this before the game even drops, and i commend you guys for that...

going forward i hope that this is valuable for the devs and the community. i hope madden 11 is based around giving the users the option of how they want to play the game:

multiple controller configurations
multiple camera angles
the ability to turn any and everything off
sliders galore
game rooms and lobbies for all styles, along with custom game rooms online

glad the old system is back... maybe a second patch with PS2 controls? those were really the best and we could do stuff like shade WR's or bump 1 guy and play off the other

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Blog: GameFlow and The Strategy Pad

Im probaby just going to wait to get Madden until the patch comes out with the new controls......hopefully they are exactly the same to a t....no glitches or anything



It'll probably come with other added improvements.....so Ill probably have a pretty good 1st impression of the game.....It helps that NCAA is a really decent game this year to me


Hope Madden has the Tuning Technology in there too......

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 11 Blog: GameFlow and The Strategy Pad

I was just about to reply to you with this point, but you edited it in before I had the chance.

Well, that is where I was going with it. St. Choas said it better than I did.

EA is the only one that knows about their stats better than we do. Do they skew their stats for their benefit? Possible, without knowing.

There are some stats that don't lie, though, and are hard to debate. Stats like Prince Fielders OBP vs lefties, righties, etc....... imo.

[jamaster14]

Re: Strategy Pad Update

Personally I think it takes less time to memorize how to get out of an audible you "accidentally" got into than it does to memorize this new way to make audibles with the strategy pad.

Agreed. also, wouldnt an easy fix be to just put a "cancel" button/option in the menu after hitting A/X to get into the audible system? having say, select be "cancel" would fix the issue pretty sufficiently.

As far as strategy pad, i think new users will definetly still get "stuck" in it, since the casual gamer will pick up a ps3 controller... hit the dpad thinking they are going to be moving a player, and the strat pad menu will come up.

i think hitting the dpad and expecting movement is more likely then accidently hitting A/X

[2krunk4u]

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Lol. You can ALWAYS argue statistics. I'm not saying that they did or didn't have a reason for Strat Pad. I don't really care that much. I would adjust either way, but to say you can't argue statistics is just a completely false statement, no matter what you are talking about.

as far as getting stuck in an audible????

you cannot argue that.

as far as how many people use the gameflow thing???

you can argue that.

[Only1LT]

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Well, that is where I was going with it. St. Choas said it better than I did.

EA is the only one that knows about their stats better than we do. Do they skew their stats for their benefit? Possible, without knowing.

There are some stats that don't lie, though, and are hard to debate. Stats like Prince Fielders OBP vs lefties, righties, etc....... imo.

Lol. The stats don't lie. He is what he is against righties and lefties, but what does that mean. Does that mean that he will never get a big hit against a Lefty? Do you pinch hit for every time he has to face one?

I'm a Mets fan, but I also like the Yankees. Both teams have had a couple of managers recently that were TOO stat oriented. Bobby V is very good manager, but he will never be great to me because he acts more like a computer than a human being. He would sit Babe Ruth in game 7 of a World Series if he had bad stats against the opposing pitcher lol. Buck Showalter was the same. So was Willie Randolph to a certain extent. You have to have a feel for the game. Stats can help you make decisions, but you can't rely on them solely. There are many factors to consider for most things. Baseball included. If Fielder is on a 20 game tear, and is tearing the cover off the ball, I might be less inclined to care about his stats vs a lefty if one happens to be pitching, wouldn't you?

Using stats as ONE tool to help you make decisions may or may not be a good idea. Depends on the situation. But I can say with absolute certainty, that using stats EXCLUSIVELY to make a decision, can get your *** fired lol. Just ask Booby V, Buck, and Willie.

[roadman]

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Lol. The stats don't lie. He is what he is against righties and lefties, but what does that mean. Does that mean that he will never get a big hit against a Lefty? Do you pinch hit for every time he has to face one?

I'm a Mets fan, but I also like the Yankees. Both teams have had a couple of managers recently that were TOO stat oriented. Bobby V is very good manager, but he will never be great to me because he acts more like a computer than a human being. He would sit Babe Ruth in game 7 of a World Series if he had bad stats against the opposing pitcher lol. Buck Showalter was the same. So was Willie Randolph to a certain extent. You have to have a feel for the game. Stats can help you make decisions, but you can't rely on them solely. There are many factors to consider for most things. Baseball included. If Fielder is on a 20 game tear, and is tearing the cover off the ball, I might be less inclined to care about his stats vs a lefty if one happens to be pitching, wouldn't you?

Using stats as ONE tool to help you make decisions may or may not be a good idea. Depends on the situation. But I can say with absolute certainty, that using stats EXCLUSIVELY to make a decision, can get your *** fired lol. Just ask Booby V, Buck, and Willie.

Then don't ask Tony LaRussa. He is the guru of stats and has only managed two teams.

The thing with stats it helps you play with the percentages and then you can make the decision.

Just saying.

oops- LaRussa has managed 3 teams, but the longevity is still there.

[jamaster14]

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Well, Phil did mention that 80% of the people that turn on the 360 are connected to xbox live.

I guess that would mean the other 20% are not connected to xbox live when they turn on the the 360.

80%, to me, sounds like a good number to quantify stats.

yeah, you cant argue with the stats. 80% is certainly a large sample. and there metrics indicated people struggling with the controls on some level. if you are going to have a beef with EA on this one, it should be with how they respond to the problem and their solutions... not WHY they responded. clearly, it was wise to respond. i just think their solution was poor, and their track record kind of reflects that.

problem: people stuck in audible menu after hitting A/X
solution: completely revamp the system

why not K.I.S.S. and just add a "cancel" button to the audible menu so u could easily back out. and if the large menu overlay is a problem have a button to hide it like NCAA. most of all, if you do revamp, you always need to keep the old system. at least for a year, then you can use metrics to see how many people prefer the new way. and adjust going forward as needed

reminds me of decisions such like incorporating random blitz angles where guys dont go where the arrow is pointing to combat nanos instead of fixinf the underlying issue

[Only1LT]

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as far as getting stuck in an audible????

you cannot argue that.

as far as how many people use the gameflow thing???

you can argue that.

Of course you can. How many people got "stuck" in an audible because the other player or CPU snapped the ball and not because they engaged it by accident? Do you know? I don't? I can't see how EA would either based on just a simple number of people having the adjustments engaged at the snap of the ball. Never look at stats in a vacuum. ALL stats are flawed. Not all stats are accurate either. Just because EA gives you a number, doesn't mean that this is a real number. I am not saying they are lying, but I put nothing past anyone. I can make up stats right now about anything I want.

Not saying that EA IS lying or fudging or what ever, but to deny the possibility would be illogical. To accept stats as proof of something, without doing even the slightest bit of extrapolation or looking at them from all angles and even leaving open the possibility that their validity is questionable, is also, likewise, illogical.

[Only1LT]

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yeah, you cant argue with the stats. 80% is certainly a large sample. and there metrics indicated people struggling with the controls on some level. if you are going to have a beef with EA on this one, it should be with how they respond to the problem and their solutions... not WHY they responded. clearly, it was wise to respond. i just think their solution was poor, and their track record kind of reflects that.

problem: people stuck in audible menu after hitting A/X
solution: completely revamp the system

why not K.I.S.S. and just add a "cancel" button to the audible menu so u could easily back out. and if the large menu overlay is a problem have a button to hide it like NCAA. most of all, if you do revamp, you always need to keep the old system. at least for a year, then you can use metrics to see how many people prefer the new way. and adjust going forward as needed

reminds me of decisions such like incorporating random blitz angles where guys dont go where the arrow is pointing to combat nanos instead of fixinf the underlying issue

Again, you can ALWAYS, argue stats. I don't care what subject you are talking about. If stats were so infallible, then humans would never make mistakes, because everybody and their grandmother has stats!

[Only1LT]

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Then don't ask Tony LaRussa. He is the guru of stats and has only managed two teams.

The thing with stats it helps you play with the percentages and then you can make the decision.

Just saying.

oops- LaRussa has managed 3 teams, but the longevity is still there.

Always an exception to every rule. I might be able to pass the bar by drawing Mickey Mouse ears on my answer sheet grid. Doesn't mean that I would recommend that everyone prepare for it that way.

And for the record, LaRussa's stats penchant for over reliance on stats has gotten him in hot water many times as well. He has managed his way out of quite a few victories the last few years.

[crumpled_heap]

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But there will be an update, so there's good news heh....

not really....one less patch they'll be able to do to fix bugs n stuff

[roadman]

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Always an exception to every rule. I might be able to pass the bar by drawing Mickey Mouse ears on my answer sheet grid. Doesn't mean that I would recommend that everyone prepare for it that way.

And for the record, LaRussa's stats penchant for over reliance on stats has gotten him in hot water many times as well. He has managed his way out of quite a few victories the last few years.

I don't know, based on stats,(haha, couldn't resist that one) I'd consider him top 5 manager in the modern day of baseball.

10 pennants, 4 WS titles.

Is the exception to every rule based on probability or stats? (haha, couldn't resist that one either)

[Only1LT]

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I don't know, based on stats,(haha, couldn't resist that one) I'd consider him top 5 manager in the modern day of baseball.

10 pennants, 4 WS titles.

Is the exception to every rule based on probability or stats? (haha, couldn't resist that one either)

Lol. So by that logic then, Tony is actually nothing special as manager. You or I could just look at the same data and make strictly stat based decisions and achieve the exact same results lol.

Does anyone have either Wilpon or Steinbrenner's number? I'm thinking about a career change lol.

[K_GUN]

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Not sure about numbers 1 and 2, because I haven't tried them, but number 3 is the same as before. After selecting the WR that you are hot routing, hit R3 (PS3). I assume it is the same on 360, but since I don't own one, I can't be sure.

thanks bud...i also finally figured out 1 & 2.......from here on out it's all about building muscle memory