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  • Purplepower_NC
    Pro
    • Sep 2004
    • 674

    #1

    Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

    After seeing how Dyansty is unplayable after about 4-5 years, I noticed as most have, how the CPU has so many players playing out of postion. I simmed to year 3 and looked at the worst school which was Buffalo. RB's playing as CB, FB as DT etc. So, I decided to make a coach for Buffalo to look at the Rosters. The players are there, just not in the correct positons.

    So what I did was start this Dyansty over, but this time correct the depth chart in the 2nd year, then quit the job so the CPU would still controll the team, and sim the season. I went back to this team...again taking control...just to look at the progression. To my surprise it kept my adjusted dept chart and each and every postion improved. Grant not a hugh amount...the most improved player was 5. The next simmed season he got some playing time and improved 4 more...and will start by his Jr year granted only about a 65...but he's not going tho the NFL either.

    But this does at least gives me a workaround until (or if) a patch comes out. No more players playing out of postion...because the dept chart is intack. Checked the 53 rated kickers stats...8 -15 FG....18/18 XP. Not many...but you are talking about the 120th team in the nation.

    So...what u have to do is create a coach...and go to each and every team to change there dept chart. It only took me about 10 min to do Buff so you are looking at about a little over 2 hrs if you do it in one day. It is worth this to me as to get over the hump in dyansty mode, because I do not sim a season a day or in a week as some do.

    What I see is that the CPU has arranged its depth chart to play the best overall player vs a true postion player. Thats why you have an RB maybe playing in the TE or WR postion. The CPU is not taking into account the other players. It seems this would be an easy patch...but who knows.

    Also, this makes me think thats why the CPU is stock piling so many QB's or RB etc...they are not listed on the CPU's dept chart under the correct positons. I will run more test and see if the issue lies with this.

    This makes me think that the recruits are coming in lower (which they are), but failing to progress because they are not even on the dept chart. My freshman CB..not seeing playing time...improved 3 which I feel is fair, again we are looking at the 120th team in the nation with talent they pull in.

    Next I will be testing if I can take a coach and at least set up there the CPU recruiting. I noticed that all CPU teams have an intrest of low at all postions..but this is another job.

    Hope this at least can help some of you members...if you would like to give it a try.
  • Deegeezy
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 5265

    #2
    Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

    I might do this to the teams I am scheduled to play, but definitely not for all 120 teams every year. Good tip though!
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    • Purplepower_NC
      Pro
      • Sep 2004
      • 674

      #3
      Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

      Just make sure you create a coach...and not use your main coach, or you will lose your records, and plus..you might not get hired back at your orginal school.

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      • Purplepower_NC
        Pro
        • Sep 2004
        • 674

        #4
        Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

        Did some more testing with this. And found that the there are only about 65 - 66 players per team...before the any freshman are RS. If the CPU RS's 4 -5 players, you are now down to 60 or so. Not sure how many are required on each team for the game, but in real life...it is closer to 80 or so.

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        • Purplepower_NC
          Pro
          • Sep 2004
          • 674

          #5
          Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

          If anyone is trying this...you need to adjust your dept charts at the start of your first season. I have downloaded 3 set of rosters...plus the default rosters, and the depth charts are incomplete before you start your dynasty. I know that the rosters I downloaded do not contain these types of errors, as I have used them before. Ok...maybe one could be wrong, but all 3 plus the default had players out of postion.

          I still feel that the CPU is playing the best overall rated player reguardless of postion, as seasons go along.

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          • Purplepower_NC
            Pro
            • Sep 2004
            • 674

            #6
            Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

            Just a quick note....if you are using anyones roster and they create or you create a player, you will have to reset the dept chart for that team. For some reason, the CPU resets the dept chart...and it is all messed up again.

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            • TheCreep
              Banned
              • Nov 2008
              • 1792

              #7
              Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

              First things first, I'm still amazed that only 1 person responded in this thread. I refuse to believe no one else notices this.

              Anyway, I can create a coach before the start of my dynasty and edit ALL teams? I'm slightly lost man. I think I'll try it out. This is about to be a task and a half lol.

              If I can fix all the teams, I will. 100+ though, sheesh. Maybe not lol.

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              • marktg30
                Banned
                • Dec 2005
                • 3945

                #8
                Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                Originally posted by TheCreep
                First things first, I'm still amazed that only 1 person responded in this thread. I refuse to believe no one else notices this.

                Anyway, I can create a coach before the start of my dynasty and edit ALL teams? I'm slightly lost man. I think I'll try it out. This is about to be a task and a half lol.

                If I can fix all the teams, I will. 100+ though, sheesh. Maybe not lol.
                It isn't due to a lack of importance... It is because most people are simply waiting for the tuner instead of trying to 'work around' the issue.

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                • mcpheje
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 316

                  #9
                  Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                  All i can say is this is a lot of overhead. I'm holding out hope that this will somehow be fixed with the tuner set this week. If not I'll probably end up doing it as well while holding out hope that the mid month patch will fix it. A day or two of not playing the game while correcting the other teams for realism's sake is probably worth the effort.

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                  • Rockamakis
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 46

                    #10
                    Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                    I don't think the dynasty is broke. If you let CPU set the depth chart they put the best player in the position regardless of whether it is their natural position. For example if you have TE that is rated better than one of your receivers it will put the TE ahead of the WR at the WR position.

                    The other issue with teams talent dropping of is because of recruiting being harder, it is also harder for the CPU. So they struggle to fill their classes because they are only targeting 10-12 recruits at a time. This causes their teams to drop because they aren't filling their roster adequately. If you followed their strategy with recruiting your team will drop off also and instead of having a full roster you will wind up with only 60 players on your team instead of 70 which will hurt your team in certain positions.

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                    • boomersooner31
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 312

                      #11
                      Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                      ^^^^ this. My OLB for Army was ranked better than my LE....so I started the OLB @ LE.

                      The tuner sets better fix this crap. If it's not fixed...well then hello Madden.

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                      • mcpheje
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 316

                        #12
                        Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                        The whole thing is actually more complex. Say your #2 LOLB is better at DE so he starts there. What happens when either you mass sub or when fatigue starts to kick uneven you have the same player playing 2nd string at multiple positions it can start to get messy.

                        Regarding recruiting the lower ranked teams also try to get recruits that are out of their league and when they can't get them they're left with nothing at the end of the season.

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                        • Purplepower_NC
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 674

                          #13
                          Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                          I can see how people get overwhelmed with this. But for me, this has been an long, but easy fix. As far as the Dynasty being broke...I think it is more the logic of the depth charts. All players are there....they are just not being listed if the CPU can find another player regardless of postion that has a better overall rating. Thats when things start getting out of wack. Then as the season goes on...the players that are not even listed on the depth chart are not going to progress..or very little.

                          The CPU might have 3 TE's but will only list 1 on the dept chart because its starting LB has a better overall rating at the TE postion than the 2nd & 3rd string TE. However the starting FB has a better ovrall rating than the 2nd sting LB. This is why players are all over the place.

                          So you have at TE....TE 80, LB 77, and lets say FB 73, when in reality you should have TE 80, TE 70, TE 65. So I am starting to think that this is also affecting recruiting...as I have seen a punter not have any punt attempts because the CPU has a kicker with a better overall rating. So the CPU is not going after a punter because the position is filled. The same thing is happening across the board, the CPU is seeing the TE position but has a 77 rated player (LB) and not going after a TE even if in reality it needs one.

                          But back on the workaround. The players are there on most teams if you try this workaround, but is not a fix, because you will have to do this each year. I would highly recommend that you do this at the start of your dynasty because the default rosters are a mess also. Then each year...you will have to do each team, and if you add a player you will have to redo that team. For some reason the CPU resorts the depth chart if you add a player.

                          Unless the patch gives this a fix...then I am affraid this is the only way to have a dynasty mode this year. For me...it is working out.

                          I haven't started a dynasty yet but my rosters are complete with workable depth charts. I have simmed a season, and the rosters do stay as u put them, untill the next year. I am now testing the recruiting for the CPU to see if I can somehow do a workaround with that. But with a wife...and real life, I will have to do this when time permits. But I feel that if the CPU is using the same logic with recruiting then thats why we are seeing 6 QB's, 8 WR because they are going after the higher overall rating vs true positions.

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                          • Purplepower_NC
                            Pro
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 674

                            #14
                            Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                            Originally posted by TheCreep
                            First things first, I'm still amazed that only 1 person responded in this thread. I refuse to believe no one else notices this.

                            Anyway, I can create a coach before the start of my dynasty and edit ALL teams? I'm slightly lost man. I think I'll try it out. This is about to be a task and a half lol.

                            If I can fix all the teams, I will. 100+ though, sheesh. Maybe not lol.
                            If you start a dynasty, and edit the rosters before you start you do not have to create a coach, but if you have started you do.

                            If you fill you just want to give it a try, at least until a patch comes out, just do the teams you play or just your conf.

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                            • TheShizNo1
                              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #15
                              Re: Possible Workaround for Broken Dyansty

                              Hmm, thanks for this guys
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