NCAA Football 11 Live Tuning Pack 1, Available Now

**chapmanosu1** · 08-05-2010, 01:33 PM

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The reason the team grades are skewed later in dynasties is the influx of guys rated 40-50. Even if they're career backups that never see the field, they bring down the team's overall. So 6 years into a dynasty if the CPU has 5 backups at QB ranked 45-55, we're going to see a drop from say maybe a D+ to a D-, even though those players have no affect on the outcome of a game.

**poopoop** · 08-05-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by mavfan21

Would love an amswer as well.

I still won't start a dynasty of my WR's are all going to feel like Roy Williams.

Here I'll give you the top 5 in each category. This is from year 6 all CPU generated players.

Top 5 Wr Elusiveness ratings: 79, 78, 77, 77, 76
Top 5 Wr Juke ratings: 80, 79, 78, then 4 guys at 77
Top 5 Wr Spin ratings: 78, then a bunch of guys at 76

I don't know what it looked like w/o the tuner.

Originally posted by chapmanosu1

The reason the team grades are skewed later in dynasties is the influx of guys rated 40-50. Even if they're career backups that never see the field, they bring down the team's overall. So 6 years into a dynasty if the CPU has 5 backups at QB ranked 45-55, we're going to see a drop from say maybe a D+ to a D-, even though those players have no affect on the outcome of a game.

They take up roster spots leaving less depth at other positions. And if the computer teams aren't cutting these guys it could be because players at other positions are even worse.

**Mobaby** · 08-05-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by mgoblue678

You know the more I look at the rosters around the country after year 2 I think this is possibly the major problem. There are a ton of these guys on the lower prestige rosters and for the most part they are in the 40's.

This isn't that bad when you think of it this way

1 star: 40-50
2 stars: 50-60
3 stars: 60-70
4 stars: 70-80
5 stars: 80-90

I don't think a freshman should ever come in rated in the 90s, but I do think thats how it should work. The problem is that the bad schools are getting bad players.

but how is this a problem?

Seems to me to get a good team, it might takes years. Which is...wait for it...REALISTIC.

**boritter** · 08-05-2010, 01:35 PM

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Great news. Dynasty mode here I come...

**kbomb1upc** · 08-05-2010, 01:35 PM

What about man to man defense and play action? That my bigger complaint with these game. Man to man defense is ridiculous because the CB reacts before my WR even makes a step and My WR has to put and cut for a route while the DB doesn't lose a step. And I've never in my life been so afraid to call a play action as I am now. It’s almost a guarantee sack if a PA is called during a blitz. That’s just plan dumb.

**JohnTesh** · 08-05-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bears_16_and_0

you know, in order to make the graphs that they put up on their blog, they probably ran the simulations 100's or 1000's of times. Simming one season one time is really not a big enough sample size.

You sure? It is evident that they did NOT do that before releasing the game.

**Timpegoose** · 08-05-2010, 01:37 PM

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Just wondering what actually goes into the letter grade of a team. I apologize if it was in a blog, or in a response here and I missed it. But, if the letter grade is a combination of all of the players on the team its possible that a lack of depth in a team's recruiting class could bring a team's letter grade down when their starters are actually good. I haven't actually had a chance to play with the new tuner set at all so I really don't know, just throwing the idea out there. Thank you for the quick fixes. I know it can be extremely difficult to go back through and fix things without breaking other aspects of the game.

**Solidice** · 08-05-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by poopoop

Here I'll give you the top 5 in each category. This is from year 6 all CPU generated players.

Top 5 Wr Elusiveness ratings: 79, 78, 77, 77, 76
Top 5 Wr Juke ratings: 80, 79, 78, then 4 guys at 77
Top 5 Wr Spin ratings: 78, then a bunch of guys at 76

I don't know what it looked like w/o the tuner.

They take up roster spots leaving less depth at other positions. And if the computer teams aren't cutting these guys it could be because players at other positions are even worse.

and to compare, the top tackle ratings for CBs(simmed 6 season).
81, 79, 77, 77, 77

FSs seem to have a lot of good tacklers though.

**TracerBullet** · 08-05-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by kbomb1upc

What about man to man defense and play action? That my bigger complaint with these game. Man to man defense is ridiculous because the CB reacts before my WR even makes a step and My WR has to put and cut for a route while the DB doesn't lose a step. And I've never in my life been so afraid to call a play action as I am now. It’s almost a guarantee sack if a PA is called during a blitz. That’s just plan dumb.

This all gets fixed in title updates, not tuning updates.

**Bears_16_and_0** · 08-05-2010, 01:39 PM

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yes im sure

**Dawkins#20** · 08-05-2010, 01:39 PM

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So has anyone tested these to see how they work? Sim a few years etc, really keen to see the results

**bad_philanthropy** · 08-05-2010, 01:40 PM

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It seems like the WR skill ratings are still undervalued. These are supposed to be some of the most nimble players on the field. Seems like there's also too great a discrepancy between speed and acceleration ratings.

A player's running skills as they relate to speed, acceleration, and juking, don't really develop that much over a college career. Freshmen should come in with these skills being more highly developed from the start.

It's the football skills, route running, awareness, blocking, catching, that should start lower and grow substantially from year to year.

Also, though awareness might not have a great effect on gameplay, how do the low ratings affect simmed results?

**Roggie** · 08-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Solidice

and to compare, the top tackle ratings for CBs.
81, 79, 77, 77, 77

FSs seem to have a lot of good tacklers though.

Exactly. Russ said it himself. Their evasiveness, juke, spin, and stiff arm are lowered because corners can't tackle good. It evens it out. We don't want to play NCAA 09 again, so it has to be done. And if you time a spin right, you're still getting by the guy.

**naughty9** · 08-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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I like the new update cause I feel that it was needed but I noticed Russ you are not mentioning nothing about man coverage. I hope that it can be fixed with the patch and not something that can't be resolved. I like a good simulation game of football, I like to mix up my coverages but as it stand right now I refuse to play man coverage against.

Also I thing there is a problem with going out of bounds and the clock not stopping...I had that occur a couple of times

**UNC_Pete** · 08-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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I wish there was a document that listed all players attributes and what they really affected in the game..

NCAA Football 11 Live Tuning Pack 1, Available Now

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