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  • zmcman1
    Rookie
    • Apr 2009
    • 354

    #91
    Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

    The run blocking does need some a good amount of tweaking for the CPU. They typically get nothing on every run play. Maybe a bit of minor tweaking for Human run blocking, but I'm getting used to it. Just ran for 140 yards (5.6ypc) on the NE Militia with my star RB. I'm having more trouble getting my WRs open enough so they won't drop the ball. Went 11/16 in the same game, so making progress. (Pro-Medium 5min Quarters)

    CPU still runs a bit too many draw plays. I'd like to see CPU QBs take a bit more shots down the field. Dump it off to the flats too often.

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    • Sik kid Pk
      Rookie
      • May 2010
      • 75

      #92
      Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

      Originally posted by zmcman1
      The run blocking does need some a good amount of tweaking for the CPU. They typically get nothing on every run play. Maybe a bit of minor tweaking for Human run blocking, but I'm getting used to it. Just ran for 140 yards (5.6ypc) on the NE Militia with my star RB. I'm having more trouble getting my WRs open enough so they won't drop the ball. Went 11/16 in the same game, so making progress. (Pro-Medium 5min Quarters)

      CPU still runs a bit too many draw plays. I'd like to see CPU QBs take a bit more shots down the field. Dump it off to the flats too often.
      As the receiver catches the ball hold down the right trigger (aggressive mode) and down on the right stick to protect the ball. This cuts down on the drops significantly.

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      • TheCreep
        Banned
        • Nov 2008
        • 1792

        #93
        Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions

        Originally posted by swaldo
        The new QB camera has completely ruined my experience and I cannot play this game in the current state! Hated the QB cam before the patch, and I hate it even more after the patch.

        The camera still needs to be raised more IMO and if my TE (who's just a few feet away) is running a quick crossing pattern why does the camera now swing all the way to the left? Half of my view is behind the LOS for crying out loud! Meanwhile, my TE is running to the right side so it doesn't help when my head is jerked all the way to the left so I can't even see what the LB's are doing! The "check blitz" LB button can help but if you have to switch recievers then it jerks and makes me disoriented.

        You need to see the middle of the field right after snap to check for blitzers and peek at the safeties! This should be automatic for a split second, you shouldn't have to hold a button. Then the camera would automatically pan over to your primary reciever, but not to the point where we are seeing 30 yards behind his back! The camera should be looking out in front where he will be running towards.

        There is nothing "instinctive" about passing, there's way too much worrying about button presses. I was so happy to hear about this major patch, but meh! And yes I know there are work-arounds such as click & hold LB right after the snap, or switching to a primary reciever who's route goes into the middle of the field. I'm just using this play as an example, IMO the camera is too jarring and I don't want to have to think about work-arounds when I have 5 recievers going in different directions on a crucial 3rd and 7.

        The text and images below came from the BB forums and I agree completely...

        "What is happening now is that the reciever is in the middle of your view instead of at the bottom. so now i hardly see anything infront of the reciever when i snap the ball. So i cant see a linebacker sneaking back into zone to jump an in/slant route, i cant see if the safety drops back into zone 2 or 3 or if he steps up, i cant see if the linebackers blitz me, all i can see is 15 yards behind the WR and 15 yard directly in front of him. i cannot now see any of the middle of the field. I need to be able to keep one eye on the coverage in the first 2 seconds of the snap. I cant do this with the new camera. and I cant do it pressing L1 because its disorientating. the camera they had before...I could see alot more of the field as the play developed."

        View before patch:

        http://forum.backbreakergame.com/att...8&d=1281045264

        View after patch:

        http://forum.backbreakergame.com/att...7&d=1281045235
        Agreed. Soon as I snap the ball the camera turns to the side.

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        • JayBee74
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2002
          • 22989

          #94
          Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

          Loaned my BackBreaker disc to my girlfriend's son a month ago. He lives in LaPlace, about 40 miles away. I'll probably pick it up today. He just bought NCAA and doesn't have Xbox Live.

          Based on the reports I've been getting, my biggest disappointment is the running game. Why would the Devs improve the O-Line blocking and then make it near impossible to run? Also the CPU's run game has not been improved enough.

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          • Jackdog
            Wolverine Soldier
            • Aug 2002
            • 7719

            #95
            Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

            Those of you that have kept this thread on topic....Thanks! Those of you that feel the need to compare or jab at EA's product...Don't. You will be banned. We aren't going to have flame wars in here. Thanks.
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            It's been a while OS. Hope all are doing well!

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            • jc81
              Rookie
              • Aug 2010
              • 1

              #96
              Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

              I am enjoying the patch. Apart from the usual complaints I have some that I haven't seen mentioned:

              I keep getting dodgy PI flags thrown against me for slight nudges away from the intended receiver.

              As well as that, last night I threw two interceptions that clearly hit the turf before the defender gathered the ball.

              Also sometimes using the 'show blitz' button causes the MLB to career offside and into the centre/guard.

              Hopefully we will get another patch soon that will mop up these errors.

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              • JRod
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 3266

                #97
                Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                Originally posted by JayBee74
                Loaned my BackBreaker disc to my girlfriend's son a month ago. He lives in LaPlace, about 40 miles away. I'll probably pick it up today. He just bought NCAA and doesn't have Xbox Live.

                Based on the reports I've been getting, my biggest disappointment is the running game. Why would the Devs improve the O-Line blocking and then make it near impossible to run? Also the CPU's run game has not been improved enough.
                I wondering if it has to do with making the game harder. But I don't really know it's a puzzler.

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                • XBox_Roughneck
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1728

                  #98
                  Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                  Like the patch.

                  But, the most glaring things I see that still need to be fixed.

                  1)RB's need to be more effective for both the CPU AND the user. I'd prefer that the Backbreaker development team make it harder to bring down running backs and RBs average more yards per carry.

                  2) Pass blocking is perfect. RUN blocking sucks most of the time. There are too many tackles on run plays behind the line of scrimmage.

                  I like the game otherwise. It's finally worth $40. (not worth a dime more though)
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                  • allBthere
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 5847

                    #99
                    Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions

                    Originally posted by Wazzer99
                    Were you continuing from a season / RTBB pre-patch save?

                    I *think* if you are doing that, then you might just need to re-assign your audibles, as it looks like the new plays that were added have resulted in some mismatch with old savegames - meaning your defensive audibles could have actually been offensive plays!
                    thanks man, you nailed it. That's exactly what happened. My D audibles were offensive plays...I'll re-assign,...I'm just stying way away from my teams after hearing people's problems after touching them. Like I haven't seen a drop yet really.

                    edit...so after play a whole season game on hard the passing game is great imo.

                    BUT they ruined the run game completely. I'm 13 yards on 29 carries! I'm good at running the ball too. The other thing that bothers me is the reanimation of kicks, they now look fast-forward and stupid. Before they looked natural. I may get rid of the patch, because I can't play the game with zero running game. Before I do that I'll try medium difficulty, but we'll see. They jacked up the tackles too which is fine with me, but if I can't run, forget it. I also noticed it's taking longer now to dive as well, which negates cool goal line plays. I can't understand how this patch would kill the run so much especially since the pass blocking is 5X better.
                    Last edited by allBthere; 08-07-2010, 12:17 PM.
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                    • JayBee74
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 22989

                      #100
                      Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                      Originally posted by JRod
                      I wondering if it has to do with making the game harder. But I don't really know it's a puzzler.
                      I thought running was pretty sound on the Human side, but I wouldn't mind it being harder. But if I have a good O-line versus an average front 7, I'd like to see the CPU struggle or innovate a bit to stop me. My biggest beef would be that the CPU can't stuff it down your throat on occasion.

                      Believe me, I'm all for a tougher CPU.

                      What kind of rushing stats is everyone getting for Human and CPU? Please include whether it's MEDIUM or HARD.

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                      • pigdog
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 38

                        #101
                        Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                        How does one delete the patch on an Xbox? I like some things in the patch, but some things are poorly implemented. I want to go back before the patch to compare.
                        Thanks

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                        • JRod
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 3266

                          #102
                          Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                          Originally posted by JayBee74
                          I thought running was pretty sound on the Human side, but I wouldn't mind it being harder. But if I have a good O-line versus an average front 7, I'd like to see the CPU struggle or innovate a bit to stop me. My biggest beef would be that the CPU can't stuff it down your throat on occasion.

                          Believe me, I'm all for a tougher CPU.

                          What kind of rushing stats is everyone getting for Human and CPU? Please include whether it's MEDIUM or HARD.
                          I hear you most times a run for the CPU is a waste of a down. They are lucky to get 3 yards many many times.

                          I get between 30-50 a game. If the CPU plays a 4-4, I'm lucky to get that.
                          Last edited by JRod; 08-07-2010, 12:40 PM.

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                          • boooey
                            Pro
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 836

                            #103
                            Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                            when playing an exhibition game on medium, i found it to be really fun.. i could pass and run and the CPU could pas and run a little bit as well.. but as soon as I started a season on medium, it was insanely difficult to pass, and i was getting picked off left and right.

                            for season mode, i had to turn the difficulty back down to easy

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                            • JayBee74
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 22989

                              #104
                              Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                              Originally posted by pigdog
                              How does one delete the patch on an Xbox? I like some things in the patch, but some things are poorly implemented. I want to go back before the patch to compare.
                              Thanks
                              Just got this off of the net. Try at own risk. LOL

                              First open the "System" blade in the Xbox 360 dashboard, then go to memory, and press Y on the hard drive to open the "Device Options" menu. Then press the following sequence of buttons: X, X, Left Bumper (LB), Right Bumper (RB), X, X. You will be asked if you want to perform maintenance on your hard drive and delete all patches. Choose yes. To later reinstall the patch, just get on Xbox live again. However, if you had downloaded additional content that relied on the patch it will be reset.

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                              • LingeringRegime
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 17089

                                #105
                                Re: Backbreaker Patch "Greathouse" Impressions (PS3, 360)

                                I have played on hard for a few games in my season mode, and I am 0-3. Which is fine, but I got absolutely hammered one game. I think I will test with some exhibition games on hard with two random teams for three games. Followed by three more games on medium. Worse thing to do is base your decision off one game, especially with all the random things that can happen.

                                Just want a game that is a challenge, but not impossible. It could be that the team I am using in season mode has a bad offense.

                                EDIT: It seems like on Hard the CPU is just supercharged. On Medium it seems the ratings are evened out like they should be. I am just going to start my season over on Medium, and if I win the championship on that level, I will bump it up to hard.
                                Last edited by LingeringRegime; 08-07-2010, 02:08 PM.

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