Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

[Rawdeal28]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

I like the IDEA of it...But the implementation and execution is Gimmick(y).

I have turned it off after 1 game and find NO need to ever turn it back on...

Imagine if is WASNT an option but a requirement? That would suck bad....

my sentiments exactly

In years past i would have to write down certain plays because i would forget what formation they were in or thier were just too many to remember. gameflow allows me to add , remove plays that i want to use. I like that i can change a gameplan instead of scratching it all together. I like it the most because it lets the game move along without wasting time finding that certain play.......................................that 24 play clock winds down fast and if you want to audible you will need the time to do that..........gameflow allows this.

Biggest problem is that there's not enough situations, especially on defense.

Novel idea though.[/QUOTE]good point.


quick question, can you use Gameplanning without Gameflow?

[CFTejada]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

It's a gimmick; Gameflow = for noobs. Why would I want the CPU to call plays for me? I did buy the game I would like to pick my own plays; forget all these gimmicks - EA needs to focus on A Defensive A.I patch, franchise mode & we'll be straight

[pokerplaya]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

Was 'Garbage' an option? Alright, I know it wasn't but should have been. What's the purpose if you have to end up calling audibles 50% of the time. Was just telling my wife the other day that everything in this darned country is about being as fast as you can. Driving, cooking, eating, working, etc.. I personally enjoy spending 45-60 minutes playing a single game of Madden 10, The Show, or any other video game. I believe it's only aimed towards the newbies.

So, my final call would have to be 'Gimmick'. I would much rather have seen uniforms getting dirty as the game progresses, why in the world would they remove this from games past? And better announcers actually announcing a realistic type broadcast, not the disjointed garbage they came up with this year. Funny thing, I've been watching, following NFL football for over 25 years and I've never even heard of Gus Johnson until this game of Madden '11. Oh well.

Because they used to stick Gus with the crappy games like my hometown Lions. Gus is an AMAZING announcer, and he will only get better. I must ask, did you take the time to set your own gameplan, or did you run a default gameplan?

I took some time with it a few minutes ago, only setting up first down to see the differences and get some quick info. Loved it. The main reason for gameplan was that EA's research showed them that *most* players call a very small amount of the available plays - ala their "bread and butter" - so being able to do this, giving yourself the additional time to adjust, read the defense, etc - is great for those of us who KNOW what 5 plays we are generally call in those situations, and set them up so that our "coordinator" calls them for us.

As I said in my earlier post, I'm still playing with it, but I'm loving it so far. I will give a much more detailed report after I have set up a complete game and tested it for at least the first 4 games of my franchise, so I am able to give all sorts of ideas as to how the "coordinator" uses my detailed gameplan, and any issues I may find.

[pokerplaya]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

My thoughts exactly. Just a new way of using the random play function that has been in every ea football game.

Except the plays aren't "random". YOU define up to 15 plays for each situation (down and distance) - so they are the plays YOU picked. If you just run with a teams default gameplan, sure they are totally random, but not really even then. They are just using the plays set up in that teams "default" gameplan. You have to spend time in the gameplanning feature in order for gameflow to be at its fullest potential. Just loved what I saw in my short "non-default" test.

[Flamehead]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

This thread is a great example of why I believe EA underestimates the Madden consumer. As soon as Gameflow was announced and described, some were already saying it sounded like a robust "ask madden", and EA gets somewhat defensive when asked about this.

Then again, it may not have anything to do with underestimating the Madden consumer, but simply implementing another feature they hope will pull in more casual gamers/noobs.

Either way, gimmick IMHO.

[beauforsure]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

It's a gimmick; Gameflow = for noobs. Why would I want the CPU to call plays for me? I did buy the game I would like to pick my own plays; forget all these gimmicks - EA needs to focus on A Defensive A.I patch, franchise mode & we'll be straight

you took the words right outta my mouth !!

Oh and PATCH the Strategy pad !! I hate this.

[HiTEqMETHOD]

Gimmick, like others have said it seems like just a glorified Ask Madden. For casual players not something for a sports game vet. I'm starting to think (I'm probably late on this) the only reason Madden sells as much as it does is because of all the little kids and EA fans boys who purchase the game every year regardless of what changes are made. I don't know why EA are taking such a casual approach, maybe it's because they know they can't satisfy the sim gamer so they're taking the easy way out. EA is still playing catchup from when they promised gamers the world with that original Madden '06 video then failed miserably. I hope they get themselves in check soon, I'm starting to fiend for a proper NFL game and just can't go back to NFL 2k5's graphics anymore.

[pokerplaya]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

This thread is a great example of why I believe EA underestimates the Madden consumer. As soon as Gameflow was announced and described, some were already saying it sounded like a robust "ask madden", and EA gets somewhat defensive when asked about this.

Then again, it may not have anything to do with underestimating the Madden consumer, but simply implementing another feature they hope will pull in more casual gamers/noobs.

Either way, gimmick IMHO.

Most of the people who have commented in this thread haven't set up a gameplan to go with their Gameflow. The poster earlier (and please do not take this as an attack) said that he saw a called reverse on 3rd and 18... I'm sorry but if you don't want to see these plays then it is up to YOU to set your gameplan up so that is not even a thought in the situation.

As I've said, I have not done significant testing at this point, but early returns while combining Gameflow WITH Gameplanning AS INTENDED, produces quality results, and speedier games.

I still want to work with the system too, but flat out I believe a lot of people that are bashing the system have not put any significant depth and time into their gameplans. If you just go default, yes - it will do some dumb things and some plays you would NEVER call.

[Klocker]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

Except the plays aren't "random". YOU define up to 15 plays for each situation (down and distance) - so they are the plays YOU picked. If you just run with a teams default gameplan, sure they are totally random, but not really even then. They are just using the plays set up in that teams "default" gameplan. You have to spend time in the gameplanning feature in order for gameflow to be at its fullest potential. Just loved what I saw in my short "non-default" test.

exactly. Not only does it replicate how a real NFL calls a game (pre-set plays for most situations) it allows you to customize the game plan as you said.

Calling this a "random play generator" is not to know what it really is nor giving it a chance obviously.

[pokerplaya]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

exactly. Not only does it replicate how a real NFL calls a game (pre-set plays for most situations) it allows you to customize the game plan as you said.

Calling this a "random play generator" is not to know what it really is nor giving it a chance obviously.

Thanks for backing me up. I am going to be making a thread called "Jay's Lions Gameplan/Gameflow test" or something of the sort and working with gameplans that I've tweaked as far as they can be tweaked and reporting my results. If you see it, subscribe! I honestly think that if people get into this feature, it may be really awesome - and the more we can get people into using the system and reporting their results, the more we can possibly get EA to take our input on this feature.

We know they are listening now, I for one and am going to play and learn my *** of in order to try to help get the game we all want!

[pokerplaya]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

In response to the "noob Ask Madden" thought... I actually think with correct use, this may be the most NON "noob" feature we have been given in some time. Gotta get to testing now, GO LIONS!!!

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

I think it's far from a gimmick and think it was a great idea.

[roadman]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

!!

Oh and PATCH the Strategy pad !! I hate this.

Wow,it will be patched back to the old way around the 1st of the NFL weekend.

[Dawsons_Creek]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

Its a total gimmick and won't be in Madden within two years. EA didn't want to update franchise mode this year for whatever reason, so they needed something to hype up the game so they came up with gameflow.

[Von Dozier]

Re: Is Madden's Gameflow a Revolution or a Gimmick?

Incredibly pointless gimmick designed strictly to pull in more casual gamers. I don't even expect it to be in Madden 12.