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  • themamba2424
    Rookie
    • Aug 2009
    • 9

    #1

    What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

    I felt compelled to this idea about the most realistic game possible, because it frustrates me in franchise mode when i throw for 4000 yards and 40 plus tds and alex smith stays under 80 overall.
    This may sound outlandish and would never happen in all likely-hood.(at least in an EA game)
    My suggestion is to have no visible ratings to the player. This would create the realism of uncertainty that the NFL has, you could draft a rookie that you expect nothing out of and one day your starter goes down, you are forced to put your rookie in. He ends up lighting it up. This would create a very realistic aspect. Instead of attributes, Players are given grades of how your team's scout views them in your system. For example established super stars are A+ stars A Great players A- etc. The talent that your scouts have will lead to better or worse players for your team. You will have to judge players based on your scouts opinion nfl stats and college stats, (hell if they wanted to be even more realistic they could include video game 'highlights'), opinions around the league, opions in the media, and fans. But of course with the aspect of realism, scouts and every one else will ultimately miss some players, which could go untouched or turn into legends for your team. For college players scouts will grade players as to what they believe they could turn into. But even though a player is graded to be an A he could turn into an akili smith
    Behind the scenes players will have been already rated by the game makers and given skills.
    But these skills are just the base as progression depends on how much your players improves statistically from one year to another. Things that can deter progression are injuries, aging or having a bad year.
    This system of unknown would create the most challenging and the most deep sports game ever.
    Critique. applaude. whatever. its an idea i needed to get off my chest
    Last edited by themamba2424; 08-13-2010, 04:44 AM.
  • berad88
    MVP
    • Aug 2008
    • 1211

    #2
    Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

    Just because a player has an amazing season one year does not mean he is capable of doing that or better in the following seasons.

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    • themamba2424
      Rookie
      • Aug 2009
      • 9

      #3
      Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

      Originally posted by berad88
      Just because a player has an amazing season one year does not mean he is capable of doing that or better in the following seasons.
      Yes it does if you've done something before you CAN do it again, it doesnt mean you will but it is still possible.

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      • rooney8
        Pro
        • Jul 2009
        • 823

        #4
        Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

        Originally posted by berad88
        Just because a player has an amazing season one year does not mean he is capable of doing that or better in the following seasons.
        Derek Anderson anyone? That just means progression needs to be smart. If a Qb has great season all of a sudden he should go way up but if he had a great o-line protecting him, great receivers, a good running game then the leap up should be a small one until he can repeat the feat. These are the things a great progression system would take into account.
        themamba2424 and anyone else interested in this idea check out this thread option to hide player ratings.
        Vote Yes to option to hide player rating


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        • Moge_Ez
          Rookie
          • Jul 2010
          • 61

          #5
          Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

          Originally posted by rooney8
          Derek Anderson anyone? That just means progression needs to be smart. If a Qb has great season all of a sudden he should go way up but if he had a great o-line protecting him, great receivers, a good running game then the leap up should be a small one until he can repeat the feat. These are the things a great progression system would take into account.
          themamba2424 and anyone else interested in this idea check out this thread option to hide player ratings.
          funny Derek Anderson went up like 20 points after his pro bowl season...

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          • rooney8
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 823

            #6
            Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

            Originally posted by Moge_Ez
            funny Derek Anderson went up like 20 points after his pro bowl season...
            And he's probably back down those 20 now. But in Maddens defense if they didn't put him up 20 points then Browns fans would have been . It's more about pleasing fans then being right.
            Vote Yes to option to hide player rating


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            • RaiderKtulu
              MVP
              • Oct 2003
              • 1377

              #7
              Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

              I could go for that. You, the user, don't need to see what the actual rating is. The guy plays good for you, so he's an A or whatever... that works rather well. Coaches don't get to see ratings anywhere near as specific as we get in Madden.

              Seeing the real numbers, and expecting them to go up if a player has a good season is wrong. Yes. WRONG. You see... if you can run for 2000 yards with a 70 rated RB, then what happens with a 95 rated RB. You hit 2500 yards or so and it's completely unrealistic. Reality is random. Some players are consistently good, others have a breakout season and get superstar status...and then never do it again.

              If anything, putting up record breaking numbers should cause ratings to drop. How many times has anyone set a record (or even come close) and then actually improved the next year? It doesn't happen.

              An example... Randy Moss. Obviously he's been one of the leagues elite WRs for a while, but lets just look at his receptions & yards each year

              Here we go... in order...

              69-1313
              80-1413
              77-1437
              82-1233
              106-1347
              111-1632
              49-767
              60-1005
              42-553
              98-1493
              69-1008
              83-1264

              Now I sure as heck don't see any upward trend there. His best season is followed by 3 of his worst. How do you do proper rating progression there? It sure as hell shouldn't go up just because he had a good season, now should it?

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              • ajb3313
                Rookie
                • Aug 2010
                • 199

                #8
                Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

                I'd be in favor of a toggle on/off switch for ratings.

                Actually, the alternative would be on/off/real. With on, you get the ratings as they are now. This is best suited to a more casual fan who doesn't understand the game very well but still wants to play. Off would be no visible ratings, but perhaps some overall grade, as you suggested. Real would be presenting stats in a way that coaches actually have access to. Instead of a speed rating, they give you a 40 time. Instead of a strength rating, they give you bench press stats. And you may draw your conclusions from those. Sometimes you might find a guy who is a gifted physical athlete but not a good football player, others might live up to those numbers.

                Additionally, I agree with what you're saying re:Alex Smith. Maybe ratings shouldn't take gigantic leaps after one season, but Smith's starting rating is 77 and he's 27-years-old. I don't actually know what would happen if Smith had, say, four consecutive seasons of >=3,800 passing yards and >=30 touchdowns, but I'm willing to bet his rating isn't going to end up where it should. I understand there's potential in the game, but the problem with potential is that it's not really significant unless you care about player ratings. A guy with a C potential can perform just as good, if not better, than a guy with an A potential. The only difference is one guy's rating will grow, the other's won't. In Smith's case, he can far exceed his arbitrary potential rating, but it's never going to show in his actual ratings.
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                • rooney8
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 823

                  #9
                  Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

                  Originally posted by ajb3313
                  I'd be in favor of a toggle on/off switch for ratings.

                  Actually, the alternative would be on/off/real. With on, you get the ratings as they are now. This is best suited to a more casual fan who doesn't understand the game very well but still wants to play. Off would be no visible ratings, but perhaps some overall grade, as you suggested. Real would be presenting stats in a way that coaches actually have access to. Instead of a speed rating, they give you a 40 time. Instead of a strength rating, they give you bench press stats. And you may draw your conclusions from those. Sometimes you might find a guy who is a gifted physical athlete but not a good football player, others might live up to those numbers.

                  Additionally, I agree with what you're saying re:Alex Smith. Maybe ratings shouldn't take gigantic leaps after one season, but Smith's starting rating is 77 and he's 27-years-old. I don't actually know what would happen if Smith had, say, four consecutive seasons of >=3,800 passing yards and >=30 touchdowns, but I'm willing to bet his rating isn't going to end up where it should. I understand there's potential in the game, but the problem with potential is that it's not really significant unless you care about player ratings. A guy with a C potential can perform just as good, if not better, than a guy with an A potential. The only difference is one guy's rating will grow, the other's won't. In Smith's case, he can far exceed his arbitrary potential rating, but it's never going to show in his actual ratings.
                  The problem with potential is it is pretty much a complete guess. Last season Elvis Dummervil was low 60's and they guessed he had C potential but had to be bumped up to 92 and A with roster updates. If you had a proper progression system there is no reason why you couldn't have every player capable of being 99. I'll bump the option to hide player ratings thread as polls seem to be the way to get devs to notice so please post there.
                  Vote Yes to option to hide player rating


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                  • ajb3313
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 199

                    #10
                    Re: What Could Be The Best Game of All Time

                    Originally posted by rooney8
                    The problem with potential is it is pretty much a complete guess. Last season Elvis Dummervil was low 60's and they guessed he had C potential but had to be bumped up to 92 and A with roster updates. If you had a proper progression system there is no reason why you couldn't have every player capable of being 99. I'll bump the option to hide player ratings thread as polls seem to be the way to get devs to notice so please post there.
                    The other problem with potential is that it caps a player's actual rating prematurely and without regard for their actual performance. You can rush for 2,000 yards and 25 TDs for five seasons straight with a RB rated 75, but if his potential is a C, his overall rating won't change all that much.
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