Fistofrages Heisman Sliders

[fistofrage]

FINAL VERSION 10/07/2010


****UPDATED POST PATCH 3


Do not use 5 WR sets or 4 vertical or put your #1 receiver in the slot in 4 WR sets.

Any feedback is appreciated.

***Key house rule. Do not run commit on HB. Meaning don't hit the RB icon, it seems to make it too easy to shut them down***

Gameplay Options
Skill: Heisman
Recruiting: Heisman
Quarter Length: 8 minutes
Game Speed: Normal
Threshold: 50

***Note, we are also using aggressive line play gameplanning. It allows for offsides on the human and helps with pass rush.

User Sliders
QB Accuracy: 10
Pass Blocking: 40
WR Catch: 50
RB Ability: 50
Run Blocking: 30
Pass Coverage: 55
Pass Rush: 50
Interceptions: 40
Rush Defense: 40
Tackling: 50
FG Power: 25
FG Accuracy: 5
Punt Power: 40
Punt Accuracy: 5
Kickoff Power: 40

CPU Sliders
QB Accuracy: 10
Pass Blocking: 50
WR Catch: 50
RB Ability: 50
Run Blocking: 80 Has to be about this high to avoid too many negative plays.
Pass Coverage: 55
Pass Rush: 50
Interceptions: 40
Rush Defense: 55 Must be >50 for AI pursuit angles
Tackling: 50
FG Power: 25
FG Accuracy: 50
Punt Power: 50
Punt Accuracy: 100
Kickoff Power: 40

***Penalty Sliders
Offsides/Offense&Defense 95
Holding, Clipping, Facemask 55
Pass Interference 55
Roughing 60
Int'l Grounding 55

***I have seen a few PI called with it at 55. Haven't seen a roughing since the last patch. Its imprtant to have holding and clipping at 55. I get about the right amount of penalties and it keeps scores lower as it can stall drives.

[thelasthurtknee]

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fist, whats up man. good to see you make your appearance. try these tonight. ive been all over the place with sliderst his year. cant seem to get any consistent. good to see you post.

[WastedTalentGaming]

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About to give these a shot. I'll post back my opinions

[fistofrage]

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fist, whats up man. good to see you make your appearance. try these tonight. ive been all over the place with sliderst his year. cant seem to get any consistent. good to see you post.

Thanks man. I know you play sim and from what I have seen from your posts in the past, we play pretty similar.

You have to know how to run the ball to be successful with these and you shouldn't see very many human long runs unless you have a really fast back and seal the corner. But I mean that in a good way, you'll really have to work to get a good running game going but its satisfying when you do.

The passing game is a mixed bag. You could probably exploit it, but I have been getting really good stats the way I play. I can definitely see the difference between Michael Floyd and an average receiver. Zone defense appears to have some issues, so if you play a zone, you better bring some pressure of the AI will kill you.

But I am not going to complain how the game plays. I am just going to make the best of it.

With Michigan State, I lost tp PSU 38-14 and then beat UConn 31-10. ND lost to Pitt 21-31 and then beat Kentucky 14-6. Those are just my last 4 games.

Royster rand for 200 yards on MSU, the Pitt back ran for 180 on ND. The UConn backs and Kentucky backs were held in check. Overall, you will see the difference between great players and average players.

[thelasthurtknee]

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that sounds good. yea im a zone player on D and thats the main reason ive stayed away from heisman for my dyansty but i need the challenge on heisman. im a run first guy also so i will test these to the max of my ability. im a playaction westcoast pass guy so ill see what comes from that. how are you seeing the pass abuse? verticals and deep routes or the short underneath pass game? how is playaction working with these? is it dangerous. that was the other thing i noticed about heisman. not much time to run PA.

[WastedTalentGaming]

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Best Sliders I've tried by far. I'm going to see if i can find away to fix the zone problem on defense. My initial impressing is that the pass rush for human is not up high enough which buys the cpu QB needed time to pick apart the zone. Any zone defense can be exploited whenever the QB has more than enough time.

[fistofrage]

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that sounds good. yea im a zone player on D and thats the main reason ive stayed away from heisman for my dyansty but i need the challenge on heisman. im a run first guy also so i will test these to the max of my ability. im a playaction westcoast pass guy so ill see what comes from that. how are you seeing the pass abuse? verticals and deep routes or the short underneath pass game? how is playaction working with these? is it dangerous. that was the other thing i noticed about heisman. not much time to run PA.

Playaction typically doesn't work well UNLESS the play says 'Set UP' in the play calling screen. The you can burn the defense and it works as intended. I mean really works if you have established the run. If you just come out and try play action without establishing the run first, then its most likely a Play Action sack.

I really don't see any human pass abuse because I vary my plays and don't use 5 WR sets. 5 WR sets and crossing routes are where you can take advantage of the AI. However, I have Human PB at 40 so you really don't have time to wait for the crossing routes to drag all the way accross the field. Crossing routes are quick reads with these sliders and sometimes the D does a good job of suckering me. I have thrown passes that have gotten jumped underneath with a zone blitz.

One other ting about the pass game is that I don't audible routes either. I pretty much go with the play I have chosen. Works for me, but some others may not like it so go ahead and audible routes and see what happens, I have not tested that.

[fistofrage]

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Best Sliders I've tried by far. I'm going to see if i can find away to fix the zone problem on defense. My initial impressing is that the pass rush for human is not up high enough which buys the cpu QB needed time to pick apart the zone. Any zone defense can be exploited whenever the QB has more than enough time.

Thanks man, I had human pass rush at 60 at first, but I was getting a few too many sacks. If you play zone, manually blitz hot route 1 extra LB, usually helps. Thats where zone works as intended there will most likely be an open receiver short, but if you call it on 3rd and 10+, you can usally force a punt.

[MEGATRON]

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Fist, what are your settings for penalties?

[fistofrage]

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Off sides for offense & defense 80
Holding, Facemask, clipping 55
Pass Interference 60(I have seen 4 penalties with this, saw only 1 with it at 95)
Grounding, Roughing 75

[MEGATRON]

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Fist - I was working on my own slider set (which you can find on the boards here on OS, and I saw your sliders posted. I remembered how difficult they seemed to play last year, so I thought I'd give them a shot. I just played my first game with your sliders.

Game 1: In Dynasty Mode - UK (me) @ Louisville.

Here are the results:

Score: UK 34 - UofL 15
First Downs: 19 / 15
Total Offense: 358 yds / 311 yds
Rushes-Yds-TD: 38-249-3 / 23-48-0
Comp-Att-TD: 10-24-1 / 25-40-2
Passing Yds: 109 / 263
3rd Dwn Conv: 3-10(30%) / 6-14(42%)
4th Dwn Conv: 0-0(0%) / 0-0(0%)
Red Zone-TD-FG: 5-3-1(80%) / 4-2-0(50%)
Turnovers: 3 / 2
Fumbles (Lost): 0(0) / 3(2)
Interceptions: 3 / 0
<ACRONYM title="Page Ranking">PR</ACRONYM> Yards: 66 / 5
KR Yards: 42 / 125
Total Yards: 466 / 441
Punts Avg: 3-37.7 / 6-42.7 (I shanked all 3 punts out of bounds)
Penalties-Yds: 2-10 / 4-20 (I caught them offsides about twice)
TOP: 16:13 / 15:47
TFL: 9 / 8
Sacks: 1 / 1
Pass Deflections: 6 / 4
Field Goals: 2-2 / 0-1
WR Drops: 0 / 3
Pancakes: 4 / 1

UofL RBs had 5 broken tackles.
UK RBs had 1 broken tackle.

Analysis: First of all, some things that I've done with my own slider set. I shanked all 3 punts in my game, this is why I have the USER punt accuracy set at 15, rather than 5. Also, the super kicker for Louisville missed 2 field goals, kicks he would have made with FG accuracy at 50. So I would test that a bit as well.

Now, on to the game. The first half was a massacre. I was up 28-0 at halftime. I had all my rushing yards, and all my passing yards pretty much by halftime. Louisville might have had 3 first downs in the first half. Maybe it was just the "Heisman" level, but in the second half, they started stuffing my runs, getting more heat on me, intercepted me 3 times, and picked apart my defense relentlessly. I guess it kind of evened out the stats a bit.

Some other tidbits: Like you suggested, I did no gameplanning. I couldn't break a tackle if my life depended on it - maybe increase USER HB Ability to 55. Also, man coverage was crazy on both sides. I would put pass coverage at 40 for both sides to cut down on mirroring.

CPU running game - nonexistent. I'll try another game to see if I get better luck next time. But I suspect we'll have to bump up CPU run blocking or decrease USER rush defense until we get more realistic results. I'll keep posting game results like I've done on my sliders page. Check it out when you have time.

[fistofrage]

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I have done all of my testing outside of Dynasty. Perhaps dynasty could play differently, I know some people have claimed that in years past.

I just played MSU at Purdue. I won 27-14. Purdue had 27 carries for 146 yards. I forced a fumble on their first possession and it totally changed the game, the momentum went into my favor and I was up 17-0 at the half.

Keep posting. Try to play a few more games. If the AI run game is still having trouble. Lower human rush defense to 40 and raise AI block to 60.

Try playing Ketucky against a Powerhouse and see what happens. If an A- or A team can't put 30+ points up on you then lets see about doing some things. I am getting fairly low scores right now. So I am up for loosening up the Human defense a bit.

I had 5 broken tackles for me last game for the RB's although a few of my receivers broke a tackle in open space too. The Purdue RB's had 7 broken tackles. I would strongly discourage raising the human RB ability for a few reason, the first being that the run game feels about right to me and if you if do raise the human RB ability, your defenders that Pick up a fumble or intercept the pass will most likely take it to the houise.

Those penalties seem low to me, most of the time I see about 6 penalties per side.

[MEGATRON]

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Game 2: In Dynasty Mode - UK (me) @ Florida.

I think I'm gonna vomit... I was marching up and down the field in the first half. And Florida couldn't do anything. I was ahead at halftime, 10-6. Came out in the 2nd half, and I drove the ball 12 plays, down to the Fla 5-yd-line. I was about to go up 17-6, and then Derrick Locke proceeded to fumble the ball, it was picked up by the Florida LB, and he ran it 95 yards for a touchdown. If I had scored on that drive, rather than cough it up, I would have been able to play more conservative in the 2nd half. Instead, I came out throwing on the very next possession, and I had a slant pattern mirrored, intercepted for a Pick-6. BANG - I'm down 20-10. So I went from being up 17-6 to being down 20-10, and I couldn't get back in the game after that. That said, it could have been very different if Locke doesn't fumble the damn ball.

Here are the results:

Score: UK 10 - Fla 37
First Downs: 13 / 13
Total Offense: 226 yds / 275 yds
Rushes-Yds-TD: 28-56-1 / 30-137-3
Comp-Att-TD: 14-27-0 / 13-18-0
Passing Yds: 170 / 138
3rd Dwn Conv: 2-10(20%) / 3-9(33%)
4th Dwn Conv: 1-3(33%) / 0-0(0%)
Red Zone-TD-FG: 3-1-1(66%) / 3-2-1(100%)
Turnovers: 2 / 0
Fumbles (Lost): 1(1) / 0(0)
Interceptions: 1 / 0
<ACRONYM title="Page Ranking">PR</ACRONYM> Yards: 0 / 11
KR Yards: 144 / 43
Total Yards: 370 / 329
Punts Avg: 3-40.7 / 3-20.3 (CPU had 2 shanks out of bounds)
Penalties-Yds: 1-15 / 4-35
TOP: 16:13 / 15:47
TFL: 5 / 11
Sacks: 2 / 1
Pass Deflections: 2 / 5
Field Goals: 1-1 / 3-3
WR Drops: 4 / 0
Pancakes: 0 / 8

Fla RBs had 9 broken tackles.
UK RBs had 0 broken tackles.

Analysis: Gators did nothing in the first half... nothing at all. All of their offense came in the 2nd half. For me, it was the other way around, all of my offense came in the 1st half, and the first drive of the 3rd quarter.

I would expect Florida to come out in the first half and actually put together some drives. They did put two together, but they could only get field goals. Either way, the yardage wasn't there for the gators.

I didn't shank the ball quite as bad this time on my punts. But I had to be very, very careful not to tilt the stick. The CPU made all 3 of their field goals, so that was good to see.

All in all, I guess the only thing I would consider after two games of playing is the User HB Ability. Maybe an increase to 55 would give him some broken tackles. Also, I haven't gotten ANY interceptions in these two games. And I've had several opportunities dropped. Maybe an increase here may be helpful as well.

Up next, @ Ole Miss.

[fistofrage]

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I just played MSU @ LSU, I lost 21-33.

Things I saw, DO NOT mess with the Human Run Defense I moved it down to 40 and I was getting off the ball Quicker, so I am going to up the AI Run Block to 65.

I had 1 pick, LSU had 4, I should have taken the sack, these INT's were my fault.

I broke an 83 yard TD run with Larry Caper. It looked like LSU came with a blitz and they all got picked up and my TE sealed the corner about 7 yards down field and he was off to the races. I saw an LSU CB from the far side take a bad angle at about the LSU 10 yard line, but it wouldn't have mattered much at that point. I had 3 broken tackels, but they don't seem to count the arm tackles I ran through. Overall, I am good with the Human run game. Caper had 61 yards on his other 16 carries.

I am going to make a few subtle changes on page 1.

[fistofrage]

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I just played ND at Florida. I was ND and lost 17-21. Florida had 440 yards of offense, but a goalline stand on the first possession held the scoring low. Allen broke a 95 yard TD on ND's 1st play from scrimmage, but it was called back on a Kamara clipping call. My run game was pretty much non existant. Iput together a 15 play 81 yard drive to start the 2nd half. Brian Smith had a pick 6 to make it 17-14ND with 6 minutes left. Florida scored on a Demps run with 2 minutes left.

I threw a pick and it was game over.

I am going to lower both tackling a hair to open up the run game and get a few more broken tackles. Its really close to being where I want it, but I want to open up the scoring a bit more. (Can't believe I'm saying that based on games in past years)

I may lower pass coverage a little bit more and see what happens.