SLIDERS 101

[billg012260]

I have found a wealth of knowledge here about tweaking sliders, and kudos to all of you gurus who have done the work and are willing to share.

As a little bit of a noob, though, it is also frustrating, because there is almost too much info, and too many often conflicting theories.

I find that just when I think I understand I read someone else and get confused all over again. I think there are others out there like me who do not have a fundamental understanding of what the sliders do, (e.g, does lowering the CPU reaction time slow the CPU or quicken it, etc) I have been told that higher is harder for the CPU, and seen posts to suggest that is not always true

Is there anyone who can point me to a primer---Sliders for Dummies, Sliders 101, Rudimentary Slider Theory, Sliders for the Non-Madden Student, ANTHING?????????????????!!!!!!!!HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Up until now, I thought a slider was a White Castkle burger. I need help, man

Thanks.

[Mike32Ownz]

Re: SLIDERS 101

Heightening the slider for a CPU makes it easier for the CPU in that area of play. That is true everywhere every time for the CPU if anyone else says otherwise they are wrong. Lets take block shedding as an example:Say you put it at 100 the CPU will completely destroy your O-Line and will instantly be in your backfield, But if you moved the slider to the left and lower it then that decreases the CPU's ability and they will be unable to break your blocks.

Now Here's where the confusion comes in. The human sliders are different but at the same time they are the same. When you go to check the Human sliders you will notice 4 MAIN SLIDERS. Those four main sliders represent the difficulty in that specific area from Least to Greatest. The miniimum is 0 and the Max is 20. 0=Easiest 20=Hardest. Now when you enter one of these 4 sliders 3 sub sliders will be revealed, and these are identical to the CPU sliders that we just talked about. Raising these sub sliders increase the Human ability in that area thus lowering the OVERALL Difficulty which is split up into four sections (The four main sliders I just referred to)

So a quick overview

CPU sliders:Higher=Increases abilities Lower=decreases abilities

Human 4 main difficulty sliders:Increased slider=increased difficulty

Human sub sliders:Increased slider=increased ability.

I hope this helped clear things up a bit. I built my entire slider set around this logic and I'd say it worked out pretty well

[billg012260]

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Helps a ton, Mike. Thanks alot. Unfortunately your slow set is too hard for me, but I really appreciate your work and your help.

[Mike32Ownz]

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Helps a ton, Mike. Thanks alot. Unfortunately your slow set is too hard for me, but I really appreciate your work and your help.

Thanks man I just appreciate you trying them out and I really hope you find the set that works best for you.

[sirjam]

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Is it really that simple Mike? Others have suggested that some sliders work together with each other.

[Mike32Ownz]

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Is it really that simple Mike? Others have suggested that some sliders work together with each other.

Again not to insult discredit or demean anyone I am not claiming to be better than anyone else who thinks differently than me, but they are actually wrong. The only sliders that affect gameplay are the four sliders that you see as soon as you see the sliders. The sub sliders believe it or not have no affect on the game whatsoever.

[sirjam]

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Again not to insult discredit or demean anyone I am not claiming to be better than anyone else who thinks differently than me, but they are actually wrong. The only sliders that affect gameplay are the four sliders that you see as soon as you see the sliders. The sub sliders believe it or not have no affect on the game whatsoever.

So my question to you then is why are the sub sliders changed in your set then. If they don't affect gameplay?

[St. Chaos]

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So my question to you then is why are the sub sliders changed in your set then. If they don't affect gameplay?

I'm just worried about the fact I used some parts of his sliders as a base... in this instance, Mike has no idea what he's talking about. And that's bad considering he seems to have the most popular slider set at the moment... Perhaps he's drunk lol

and @ Bill

The easiest way to grasp how the sliders work is to think of things in terms of better and worse, as opposed to easier and hard.

Lowering a slider makes either the CPU or player worse in that particular area of the game. Obviously, raising it has the opposite effect.

[Mike32Ownz]

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Heightening the slider for a CPU makes it easier for the CPU in that area of play. That is true everywhere every time for the CPU if anyone else says otherwise they are wrong. Lets take block shedding as an example:Say you put it at 100 the CPU will completely destroy your O-Line and will instantly be in your backfield, But if you moved the slider to the left and lower it then that decreases the CPU's ability and they will be unable to break your blocks.

Now Here's where the confusion comes in. The human sliders are different but at the same time they are the same. When you go to check the Human sliders you will notice 4 MAIN SLIDERS. Those four main sliders represent the difficulty in that specific area from Least to Greatest. The miniimum is 0 and the Max is 20. 0=Easiest 20=Hardest. Now when you enter one of these 4 sliders 3 sub sliders will be revealed, and these are identical to the CPU sliders that we just talked about. Raising these sub sliders increase the Human ability in that area thus lowering the OVERALL Difficulty which is split up into four sections (The four main sliders I just referred to)

So a quick overview

CPU sliders:Higher=Increases abilities Lower=decreases abilities

Human 4 main difficulty sliders:Increased slider=increased difficulty

Human sub sliders:Increased slider=increased ability.

I hope this helped clear things up a bit. I built my entire slider set around this logic and I'd say it worked out pretty well

Is it really that simple Mike? Others have suggested that some sliders work together with each other.

So my question to you then is why are the sub sliders changed in your set then. If they don't affect gameplay?

Because they affect the four MAJOR sliders, that determine the overall gameplay (When you say "SUB" do you mean substitution or the sliders that are under the four main slider sections. because when I say sub sliders I am talking about the 12 sliders under the four sections...

I'm just worried about the fact I used some parts of his sliders as a base... in this instance, Mike has no idea what he's talking about. And that's bad considering he seems to have the most popular slider set at the moment... Perhaps he's drunk lol

and @ Bill

The easiest way to grasp how the sliders work is to think of things in terms of better and worse, as opposed to easier and hard.

Lowering a slider makes either the CPU or player worse in that particular area of the game. Obviously, raising it has the opposite effect.

Let me clear something up for you son I am only 17 and I do not drink and secondly there is a reason I have the most popular set on these boards as you stated previously. I am not trying to bring attention to myself or my sliders, but you just clearly stated that I have the most popular slider set on these boards and there is a reason for that. The funny thing is I do not see your sliders anywhere on these boards, and there is also a reason for that...Now you seem to have made yourself look like quite the idiot when you say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" and then in the next breath you say "I used some parts of his sliders as a base" why would you use someones sliders who has "no idea what he is talking about" maybe because you son are a moron, so I suggest the next time you come at me like that come a little more prepared or send someone a little more impressive next time. I have worked my *** off making youtube videos making gameplans and making a slider set that appeals to the majority and for a nobody like you to come in here and say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" shame on you...now son I suggest you go troll somewhere else.

[sirjam]

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Idk. I guess I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that only the four main sliders are the only thing that effects gameplay. So if you were adjusting the pass slider all you have to do is put it from 0-20, it wouldn't matter what you put accuracy at. 0-20 is all that matters. I'm jus trying to make my own set for my own style, so I was trying to get a better feel for them. Also what's your YouTube name?

[St. Chaos]

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Because they affect the four MAJOR sliders, that determine the overall gameplay (When you say "SUB" do you mean substitution or the sliders that are under the four main slider sections. because when I say sub sliders I am talking about the 12 sliders under the four sections...



Let me clear something up for you son I am only 17 and I do not drink and secondly there is a reason I have the most popular set on these boards as you stated previously. I am not trying to bring attention to myself or my sliders, but you just clearly stated that I have the most popular slider set on these boards and there is a reason for that. The funny thing is I do not see your sliders anywhere on these boards, and there is also a reason for that...Now you seem to have made yourself look like quite the idiot when you say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" and then in the next breath you say "I used some parts of his sliders as a base" why would you use someones sliders who has "no idea what he is talking about" maybe because you son are a moron, so I suggest the next time you come at me like that come a little more prepared or send someone a little more impressive next time. I have worked my *** off making youtube videos making gameplans and making a slider set that appeals to the majority and for a nobody like you to come in here and say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" shame on you...now son I suggest you go troll somewhere else.

Rofl... respect your elders kid... that's about as low as I'm going to stoop there.

And you actually made yourself look like an idiot by making the idiotic claim that the sub sliders don't do anything. If you want to prove yourself wrong, go ahead and test the ignorant comment you made. Start at say... an overall level of 10, and note how your team tackles. Then drop the tackle slider to 0, but raise the other sliders so that the overall rating is still 10.

Notice what actually happens, eat your words, and take a nap you grumpy child.

Btw, you don't see my slider set because I'm too lazy to post them and/or manage a slider set, like I said in another thread. Furthermore do you actually have the audacity to think you posting a slider set means jack****? Anybody with a keyboard can do it... but if it makes you feel special, enjoy (t's a little pathetic though...).

Also, no one said you as a whole had no idea what you were talking about. I said IN THIS INSTANCE, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you still don't. Perhaps its an age thing, but you're CLEARLY too stupid to take a joke (really... a drunk reference after a so called assault on your character? pfft...). But since you want to get as serious as you did, perhaps I gave you too much credit for what you did appear to know.

Anywho... anyone who does the test I mentioned will notice how ignorant you are in basically claiming that -despite the fact you edit sub sliders in your own sliders- they actually supposedly don't work. It takes a real mastermind to contradict something he "worked his *** off on," while claiming to know better and more correctly than everyone else while being COMPLETELY wrong, simple child...

Go ahead and throw "son" out of your vocabulary as well. We're already low on alot of resources, but stupid ain't one of em. Don't need anything you've given life to making the problem worse.

Idk. I guess I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that only the four main sliders are the only thing that effects gameplay. So if you were adjusting the pass slider all you have to do is put it from 0-20, it wouldn't matter what you put accuracy at. 0-20 is all that matters. I'm jus trying to make my own set for my own style, so I was trying to get a better feel for them. Also what's your YouTube name?

You understood him correctly. He's just wrong. Easiest things I'd suggest trying is setting Tackle to 0 while raising the others to maintain whatever base level you started at, if you even want to waste time disproving an already ignorant claim. You'll probably notice something that would be considered strange in Mike world -> the sub sliders actually do what they're supposed to, regardless of the overall.

Some of the toughest slider sets have overall ratings that don't even reach double digits on the 0-20 scale. There's a reason for that.

[Mike32Ownz]

Re: SLIDERS 101

Again not to insult discredit or demean anyone I am not claiming to be better than anyone else who thinks differently than me, but they are actually wrong. The only sliders that affect gameplay are the four sliders that you see as soon as you see the sliders. The sub sliders believe it or not have no affect on the game whatsoever.

This is what I said earlier........which probably wouldn't make much sense without reading the post I made previously before that one

Heightening the slider for a CPU makes it easier for the CPU in that area of play. That is true everywhere every time for the CPU if anyone else says otherwise they are wrong. Lets take block shedding as an example:Say you put it at 100 the CPU will completely destroy your O-Line and will instantly be in your backfield, But if you moved the slider to the left and lower it then that decreases the CPU's ability and they will be unable to break your blocks.

Now Here's where the confusion comes in. The human sliders are different but at the same time they are the same. When you go to check the Human sliders you will notice 4 MAIN SLIDERS. Those four main sliders represent the difficulty in that specific area from Least to Greatest. The miniimum is 0 and the Max is 20. 0=Easiest 20=Hardest. Now when you enter one of these 4 sliders 3 sub sliders will be revealed, and these are identical to the CPU sliders that we just talked about. Raising these sub sliders increase the Human ability in that area thus lowering the OVERALL Difficulty which is split up into four sections (The four main sliders I just referred to)

So a quick overview

CPU sliders:Higher=Increases abilities Lower=decreases abilities

Human 4 main difficulty sliders:Increased slider=increased difficulty

Human sub sliders:Increased slider=increased ability.

I hope this helped clear things up a bit. I built my entire slider set around this logic and I'd say it worked out pretty well

^^Now if you read the post that I made you will see in the bold print, that I did in fact acknowledge the fact that sliders DO work with each other and they do affect ability and gameplay.

Idk. I guess I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that only the four main sliders are the only thing that effects gameplay. So if you were adjusting the pass slider all you have to do is put it from 0-20, it wouldn't matter what you put accuracy at. 0-20 is all that matters. I'm jus trying to make my own set for my own style, so I was trying to get a better feel for them. Also what's your YouTube name?

When I made this statement:"The sub sliders believe it or not have no affect on the game whatsoever" That was to broad a statement and I admit that I should have been specific what I meant there was that the CPU gameplan is built around the way you are playing and they will react according to the difficulty that they are programmed to. If anyone tried out my slider set 2 days ago before I made my tweaks. I had the CPU pass defense sliders set at 6/40/100 which is a base difficulty of 146 which would result in the CPU difficulty slider (Which we cannot see) being at 10. Now as you can see the CPU pass reaction was at 6 so if the passing reaction slider affected the pass reaction directly wouldn't it be safe to assume that the CPU would be getting burned on every play? Using that logic yes it would, but instead the CPU was jumping routes left and right even with the pass reaction at 6. See what most of us are failing to realize is that the gameplay is set in stone sliders cant change it and neither can the threshold. All these extra options do is determine HOW MUCH or HOW Little yours and the CPU's attributes will be boosted/penalized If you are playing with asante Samuel at corner and you are playing a cover 2 (correct me if I am wrong but isnt he the best zone corner in the game?) defense and the pass reaction time was at zero is asante samuel going to be able to use that 98 rating that he has in zone coverage? absolutely not. So in closing I may have been a bit broad when I said that Sub sliders don't affect gameplay, what I should have said is that instead of affecting gameplay it affects player ratings.

[Mike32Ownz]

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Rofl... respect your elders kid... that's about as low as I'm going to stoop there.

And you actually made yourself look like an idiot by making the idiotic claim that the sub sliders don't do anything. If you want to prove yourself wrong, go ahead and test the ignorant comment you made. Start at say... an overall level of 10, and note how your team tackles. Then drop the tackle slider to 0, but raise the other sliders so that the overall rating is still 10.

Notice what actually happens, eat your words, and take a nap you grumpy child.

Btw, you don't see my slider set because I'm too lazy to post them and/or manage a slider set, like I said in another thread. Furthermore do you actually have the audacity to think you posting a slider set means jack****? Anybody with a keyboard can do it... but if it makes you feel special, enjoy (t's a little pathetic though...).

Also, no one said you as a whole had no idea what you were talking about. I said IN THIS INSTANCE, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you still don't. Perhaps its an age thing, but you're CLEARLY too stupid to take a joke (really... a drunk reference after a so called assault on your character? pfft...). But since you want to get as serious as you did, perhaps I gave you too much credit for what you did appear to know.

Anywho... anyone who does the test I mentioned will notice how ignorant you are in basically claiming that -despite the fact you edit sub sliders in your own sliders- they actually supposedly don't work. It takes a real mastermind to contradict something he "worked his *** off on," while claiming to know better and more correctly than everyone else while being COMPLETELY wrong, simple child...

Go ahead and throw "son" out of your vocabulary as well. We're already low on alot of resources, but stupid ain't one of em. Don't need anything you've given life to making the problem worse.



You understood him correctly. He's just wrong. Easiest things I'd suggest trying is setting Tackle to 0 while raising the others to maintain whatever base level you started at, if you even want to waste time disproving an already ignorant claim. You'll probably notice something that would be considered strange in Mike world -> the sub sliders actually do what they're supposed to, regardless of the overall.

Some of the toughest slider sets have overall ratings that don't even reach double digits on the 0-20 scale. There's a reason for that.

Well you continue to show your ignorance and your immaturity. Age aint nothin but a number. You seem bent on showing your stupidity, so let me help you out......

"you actually made yourself look like an idiot by making the idiotic claim that the sub sliders don't do anything."

^ Those are not my words they are the words that you thought you read proving that you cannot read. I said that they affect ratings not gamplay, it would be quite irrational to suggest that a slider doesn't have a purpose...

"Btw, you don't see my slider set because I'm too lazy to post them and/or manage a slider set, like I said in another thread"

You do not have a slider set because you are physically and/or mentally incapable of maintaining one....

"do you actually have the audacity to think you posting a slider set means jack****? Anybody with a keyboard can do it... but if it makes you feel special, enjoy (t's a little pathetic though...)."

Should have read my first post of my slider set or JUST LOOKED AT MY COMMENT.....Like I said I enjoy helping others even if it doesn't always benefit myself, but people like you make it pretty difficult. I am sitting here on my free time trying to help someone, and if that is your Idea of "stupidity" than your Ideals are seriously out of wack. My favorite quote:

"I do this not for myself. Compio questo sacrificio per il bene superiore"

(I make this sacrafice for the greater good). That is why I do what I do so if you don't mind I am going to go do it. Oh and some words from this "kid" grow up because you OBVIOUSLY have much to learn...

[St. Chaos]

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Good grief little one... you have a severe reading comprehension problem. But for fun, I'll respond to one last flash of your ignorance, and I'll be done with you for oh... 4 years at least (by then you should be on a high school child's level mentally, I'm guestimating).

Well you continue to show your ignorance and your immaturity. Age aint nothin but a number. You seem bent on showing your stupidity, so let me help you out......

"you actually made yourself look like an idiot by making the idiotic claim that the sub sliders don't do anything."

^ Those are not my words they are the words that you thought you read proving that you cannot read. I said that they affect ratings not gamplay, it would be quite irrational to suggest that a slider doesn't have a purpose...

Ironically, you're actually the one who continues to show the most brilliant examples of stupidity and immaturity. Instead of admitting you were wrong and moving on, you go out kicking and screaming like a 3 year old having a tantrum at Wal-mart. I don't even have to point it out for it to be obvious... you're a living breathing contradiction of yourself. But since I'm crazy and apparently was reading ghost writing when you said the sub sliders don't do anything, let me quote the ghost writing I read so that you may read it; and I apologize for not clearly pointing it out before, as I assumed you had read it.

Again not to insult discredit or demean anyone I am not claiming to be better than anyone else who thinks differently than me, but they are actually wrong. The only sliders that affect gameplay are the four sliders that you see as soon as you see the sliders. The sub sliders believe it or not have no affect on the game whatsoever.

Now... what this ghost writing means, as a matter of literal interpretation (as opposed to opinion if you don't comprehend), is that the sub sliders don't do anything. This is because the sub-sliders are intended to have an effect on gameplay, but according to you, they don't. So if the sub-sliders, intended to have an effect on gameplay, "have no effect on the game whatsoever," then they actually do not have a purpose, because they do nothing. Whereas if they did have any effect on gameplay, this ghost writer would be wrong (I don't know why it shows your name in the quote... darn tricky ghosts). They certainly don't change the presentation, audio, or graphical display of the game now do they?

P.S. The ratings affect gameplay (OMG we agreed on something), therefore anything that has an effect on those ratings, has an effect on gameplay. As a certified ratings guru, you should already know this

"Btw, you don't see my slider set because I'm too lazy to post them and/or manage a slider set, like I said in another thread"

You do not have a slider set because you are physically and/or mentally incapable of maintaining one....

Forgive me if I seem not to take you all that seriously, but considering the gaping difference in intelligence, somehow a child's insults as a part of his temper tantrum warpath don't do anything but make me think of a whiny little Gerber baby with food dripping from his face banging a rattle...

"do you actually have the audacity to think you posting a slider set means jack****? Anybody with a keyboard can do it... but if it makes you feel special, enjoy (t's a little pathetic though...)."

Should have read my first post of my slider set or JUST LOOKED AT MY COMMENT.....Like I said I enjoy helping others even if it doesn't always benefit myself, but people like you make it pretty difficult. I am sitting here on my free time trying to help someone, and if that is your Idea of "stupidity" than your Ideals are seriously out of wack. My favorite quote:

"I do this not for myself. Compio questo sacrificio per il bene superiore"

(I make this sacrafice for the greater good). That is why I do what I do so if you don't mind I am going to go do it. Oh and some words from this "kid" grow up because you OBVIOUSLY have much to learn...

I couldn't care less about you having a positive or negative experience helping people. Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you do it. If it's too hot in the kitchen for ya, then quit. If you need a reward every time you help someone, or you think it gives you any entitlement to anything, well let me tell you, you're in the wrong business because most of the time you probably won't get one. You claim you don't mind it not benefiting you, yet here you are whining about someone making it hard. If you can't take being wrong when somebody tells you you're wrong and gives evidence supporting such, then quite frankly you're unfit to be helping anyone else in the first place.

It would be different if I went into your slider thread calling you names (as you have done since first addressing me), but that's not what I did. I pointed out your mistake, poked a little fun at you about it, and you proceeded by slinging paragraphs of insults as a rebuttal. What's funny about that is that your own misinterpretations of my words (who said you were exhibiting stupidity for helping someone? Must be those darn tricky ghosts!) and intent is what is causing your little wanton tantrum. At the same time, what's not funny is the fact that you're supposedly 17, lack reading comprehension (even of your own words), can't admit to being wrong, can't convey a point without insulting someone, constantly contradict yourself, AND have an old man's mentality (lack of ability to successfully assimilate a joke) all simultaneously.

That's a pretty bad mix of things that are bound to have you labeled an ignorant "ash...hooole" probably for the duration of your life, unless of course you eventually grow out of it, but your current maturity level and age are already negatively incongruent as it is.

Anyway, enjoy responding to me, insulting me, whatever gets you off. There's not really much else that needs to be said so long as you continue contradicting yourself. That says it all for the both of us, heh.

[billg012260]

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Let me clear something up for you son I am only 17 and I do not drink and secondly there is a reason I have the most popular set on these boards as you stated previously. I am not trying to bring attention to myself or my sliders, but you just clearly stated that I have the most popular slider set on these boards and there is a reason for that. The funny thing is I do not see your sliders anywhere on these boards, and there is also a reason for that...Now you seem to have made yourself look like quite the idiot when you say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" and then in the next breath you say "I used some parts of his sliders as a base" why would you use someones sliders who has "no idea what he is talking about" maybe because you son are a moron, so I suggest the next time you come at me like that come a little more prepared or send someone a little more impressive next time. I have worked my *** off making youtube videos making gameplans and making a slider set that appeals to the majority and for a nobody like you to come in here and say "Mike has no idea what he is talking about" shame on you...now son I suggest you go troll somewhere else.

LMFAO. You go Mike