NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

[Tha_Kid]

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So if it's just up on the sticks like a regular jump shot, then I can see where weird things might happen. Say your running a fastbreak, you got a defender in front of you and you just want to pull up at the free throw line. but because of the controls and lack of dunk modifier you end attempting a dunk from the free throw line instead.

All you'd have to do is neutral the stick and you'd get a pullup if not a momentum jumper. You have to be pressing towards the basket and up on the stick to attempt the dunk. The self alleyoop is more of an issue. That the game lacks all it does yet has that as an option baffles me.

[coolcras7]

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Difference of opinions on whats realistic and whats unrealistic. My opinion is as long as its user control and not the A.I. then I'm fine with people attempting thing the real person cant complete. As long as they cant complete it in the game.

you clearly want a arcade style game nothing wrong with that, but Elite is advertising as a sim based game.

[erickonasis]

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Thats common sense if I edit a Guy and make all his ratings dealing with dunking a 99. Then he should be able to take off from the free throw line. I have no problem with that and I dont see why anybody would. The problem here is Artest and Boozer dunking ratings should be anything close to that.

Right so every player should be ratings based like you said which means every player would have the ability to do EVERY shot anyone can do if the ratings are turned up to 99?

[ajknows]

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It's all user based anyways. You can change your shot if you want to already right? And if you dont he should miss the dunk. The same way you should miss if a guy who can dunk attempts a dunk that not in his arsenal or is not in a position to complete it.

Throne I agree with your side of this debate completely.

If your going to give complete control to people playing that means the ability to choose to try a dunk from the freethrow line, but the success rate of doing so should be low. And the cpu controlled players should know this and not attempt to do it, but if you as the user want to try it go for it good for you, but chances are you fail at it.

[HoosierDaddy]

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All you'd have to do is neutral the stick and you'd get a pullup if not a momentum jumper. You have to be pressing towards the basket and up on the stick to attempt the dunk. The self alleyoop is more of an issue. That the game lacks all it does yet has that as an option baffles me.

agree completely.

[da ThRONe]

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you clearly want a arcade style game nothing wrong with that, but Elite is advertising as a sim based game.

LOL how is that arcade? I can see if I agreed with Boozer and Artest completing these dunks. That would be completely diferent. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with user control players attempting to do whatever they want. Thats not an arcade versus sim topic. It's an control versus lack of control topic.

[erickonasis]

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you clearly want a arcade style game nothing wrong with that, but Elite is advertising as a sim based game.

[rEAnimator]

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you clearly want a arcade style game nothing wrong with that, but Elite is advertising as a sim based game.

The whole sim vs. arcade argument feels wrong to me.

Having the ability to attempt something with a player who can't do it in real life and having them fail is absolutely sim.

It's as sim as you can get.

The question is if you want a game that gives you that level of control or not. It has nothing to do with sim or arcade. It's a question of what you want to be able to control within that sim.

Elite is advertising itself a sim game with complete user control, and that's what it delivers.

[Jano]

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I think shots outside of the dotted lines should result in tear-drops, floaters or double-clutch shots if there's not an open lane and/or it's not a fast break situation. That's if you decide to choose a "dunk scenario" by the combination of buttons. Should be tied to jumping and dunking rating. If you choose a layup, you obviously get the specified layups that are already implemented.

Great post Hoosier and i actually saw some of the things you posted while watching the game. I remember watching Kobe and Fisher shooting runners when the player tried to attempt a dunk to far out.

Thats what leads me to believe its a ratings issue that has a lot to do with vertical, dunk, and strength. It seemed like the strength of the player allowed them to do things like dunk the ball with little or no momentum.

Check out the Bynum dunk at 1:17

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Then compare that to the Boozer dunk and it seems like the strength rating allows these guys to disregard the players in front of them. If he happens to be stronger then them and has the momentum advantage. It made more sense on the Bynum dunk then on the Boozer one though.

And if we look at D rose (at 1:14) as he goes to the basket he attempts a leaner instead of trying to dunk. Where as with Boozer it MAY have been a dunk instead. Another strength example with Shaq too (at 0:30).

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[ajknows]

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agree completely.

I don't understand your side of the debate, your saying you want less control??

[Young Murder]

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The whole sim vs. arcade argument feels wrong to me.

Having the ability to attempt something with a player who can't do it in real life and having them fail is absolutely sim.

It's as sim as you can get.

The question is if you want a game that gives you that level of control or not. It has nothing to do with sim or arcade. It's a question of what you want to be able to control within that sim.

Elite is advertising itself a sim game with complete user control, and that's what it delivers.

[da ThRONe]

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Right so every player should be ratings based like you said which means every player would have the ability to do EVERY shot anyone can do if the ratings are turned up to 99?

Yes but I dont want everybody to attempt it the same way. You should not have any post moves limits just because your a PG. Some PG's are excellent at posting other guards.

And this is why they have ratings. If the player your attempting a move/shot with ratings suck at said move/shot he can attempt to but it should have a very low sucession rate and look awkward.

[erickonasis]

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Having the ability to attempt something with a player who can't do it in real life and having them fail is absolutely sim.

its also unrealistic

[erickonasis]

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Yes but I dont want everybody to attempt it the same way. You shouldnt have any post moves just because your a PG. Some PG's are excellent at posting other guards.

And this is why they have ratings. If the player your attempting a move/shot with ratings suck at said move/shot he can attempt to but it should have a very low sucession rate and look awkward.

So in other words they should totally add a bunch of unrealistic animations for the users....I'm done

[Young Murder]

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its also unrealistic

Thats why you should know what your players is capable of.