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  • real baller
    Banned
    • Aug 2010
    • 19

    #406
    YALL JUST GONNA HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL .. U GONNA HAVE MAKE DECISIONS FOR YASELF ON DA COURT NOW !.. U GONNA HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO TAKE HOOK SHOT OR A JUMP SHOT OR A LEANER OR OR A FADE-AWAY ..DATS HOW IT IS LOL ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....LOL!...NO MORE OF DA PRE-CANNED ANIMATIONS PLAYING DA GAME FOR U ...U GOTTA LEARN HOW TO PLAY NOW AND CHOSE YA SHOTS WISELY WITH HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS ... I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YALL .. LOL

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    • ajknows
      Banned
      • Oct 2009
      • 114

      #407
      Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

      Originally posted by erickonasis
      its also unrealistic
      But thats the user's choice not the games, so if you don't like don't do it, it's that simple.

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      • Tha_Kid
        All Star
        • Oct 2002
        • 6550

        #408
        Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

        Originally posted by erickonasis
        its also unrealistic
        How exactly?

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        • rEAnimator
          NBA Elite Developer
          • Jun 2010
          • 666

          #409
          Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

          Originally posted by erickonasis
          its also unrealistic
          The moment you take over what a player is doing you have the ability to make it unrealistic.

          If I stand still with the player through an entire half court possession that's unrealistic, but you wouldn't want the player to just start moving around with no input would you?

          The fact that you have the control to make the game look unrealistic doesn't change the fact that it is still a sim game.

          You can definitely argue that aspects of the sim aren't well implemented or as realistic as they could be, but it is definitely a sim game.

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          • HoosierDaddy
            Pro
            • Jul 2005
            • 863

            #410
            Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

            I'm all for the control, if it's within the boundaries of being realistic. You never see players do dunks from that distance unless it's a superstar who has jaw-dropping athleticism and is on the break or has a clear lane to the rack. Seeing players like Boozer pulling off dunks from that distance or seeing Fisher attempt a dunk (when you never see it in real-life) is unrealistic, IMO. Another selection of shots needs to be implemented from the dotted line out (tear drops, floaters, double clutch shots, hook shots, 1 handed push shots), and completely scrap the idea of giving you the control to choose whether to attempt a dunk or not with players like Fisher, Nash, etc..

            Now, that will cover most of your PG's and PF's. Tie those in with ratings such as jumping and dunking and you have a pretty sim experience and don't really sacrifice control either, because it makes the whole experience realistic.

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            • Jano
              You Dead Wrong
              • May 2004
              • 3162

              #411
              Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

              Originally posted by erickonasis
              its also unrealistic
              The attempt isn't really the unrealistic part, its the way it looks that makes it unrealistic imo.

              Guys shouldn't be able to do things that are physically impossible like Boozer did but attempting to do them is a whole different issue.

              I shouldn't be able to dunk like Boozer did in that clip because its not something he or anybody else could do irl imo.

              If the player wants to attempt a dunk thats fine but visually they shouldn't be doing what he did. They should take a few more steps to the basket not rocket jump to complete the dunk.

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              • da ThRONe
                Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                • Mar 2009
                • 8557

                #412
                Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                Originally posted by erickonasis
                So in other words they should totally add a bunch of unrealistic animations for the users....I'm done
                What unrealistic about a guy missing a dunk? Whats unrealistic about bigs that cant dribble losing the ball. Whats unrealistic about players doing awkward moves? I see this all the time IRL.
                Last edited by da ThRONe; 08-31-2010, 05:12 PM.
                You looking at the Chair MAN!

                Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                • erickonasis
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 3018

                  #413
                  Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                  Originally posted by HoosierDaddy
                  I'm all for the control, if it's within the boundaries of being realistic. You never see players do dunks from that distance unless it's a superstar who has jaw-dropping athleticism and is on the break or has a clear lane to the rack. Seeing players like Boozer pulling off dunks from that distance or seeing Fisher attempt a dunk (when you never see it in real-life) is unrealistic, IMO. Another selection of shots needs to be implemented from the dotted line out (tear drops, floaters, double clutch shots, hook shots, 1 handed push shots), and completely scrap the idea of giving you the control to choose whether to attempt a dunk or not with players like Fisher, Nash, etc..

                  Now, that will cover most of your PG's and PF's. Tie those in with ratings such as jumping and dunking and you have a pretty sim experience and don't really sacrifice control either, because it makes the whole experience realistic.
                  Thank you....This i will agree with
                  SLIDERS SUCK

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                  • erickonasis
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 3018

                    #414
                    Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                    Originally posted by da ThRONe
                    What unrealistic about a guy missing a dunk? Whats unrealistic about a bigs that cant dribble losing the ball. Whats unrealistic about players doing awkward moves? I see this all the time IRL.
                    I thought this was an NBA game?
                    SLIDERS SUCK

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                    • Tha_Kid
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 6550

                      #415
                      Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                      Originally posted by erickonasis
                      I thought this was an NBA game?
                      Every thing he mentioned has been possible in practically every NBA game in the last 5 years.

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                      • erickonasis
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 3018

                        #416
                        Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                        Originally posted by Tha_Kid
                        Every thing he mentioned has been possible in practically every NBA game in the last 5 years.
                        Funny Ive never seen Boozer do that nor new it was possible that he ever could do that
                        SLIDERS SUCK

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                        • real baller
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 19

                          #417
                          EXACTLY IF DONT KNOW WHAT U DOING IN BASKETBALL ITS GONNA SHOW ( FOR EXAMPLE IF MY 4 YEAR OLD COUSIN IS PLAYING ELITE AND HE DONT KNOW EVERYTHING BOUT BASKETBALL THEN ITS GONNA SHOW ) ON THE OTHER HAND IF I WHO KNOW ALOT BOUT BASKETBALL PLAYING ELITE IM GONNA HAVE SUCCESS WITH THE GAME NO MORE PRE-CANNED ANIMATION POTTY TRAINING

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                          • da ThRONe
                            Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 8557

                            #418
                            Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                            Originally posted by HoosierDaddy
                            I'm all for the control, if it's within the boundaries of being realistic. You never see players do dunks from that distance unless it's a superstar who has jaw-dropping athleticism and is on the break or has a clear lane to the rack. Seeing players like Boozer pulling off dunks from that distance or seeing Fisher attempt a dunk (when you never see it in real-life) is unrealistic, IMO. Another selection of shots needs to be implemented from the dotted line out (tear drops, floaters, double clutch shots, hook shots, 1 handed push shots), and completely scrap the idea of giving you the control to choose whether to attempt a dunk or not with players like Fisher, Nash, etc..

                            Now, that will cover most of your PG's and PF's. Tie those in with ratings such as jumping and dunking and you have a pretty sim experience and don't really sacrifice control either, because it makes the whole experience realistic.
                            My thing is this things like animations of guys missing dunks and taking off from an area should be in the games already. So what difference does it makes if me the user controls Nash and go hard to the basket and try to dunk? How does this some how ruin the game or kill the realism of it?
                            You looking at the Chair MAN!

                            Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                            • ajknows
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 114

                              #419
                              Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                              Originally posted by Jano
                              Great post Hoosier and i actually saw some of the things you posted while watching the game. I remember watching Kobe and Fisher shooting runners when the player tried to attempt a dunk to far out.

                              Thats what leads me to believe its a ratings issue that has a lot to do with vertical, dunk, and strength. It seemed like the strength of the player allowed them to do things like dunk the ball with little or no momentum.

                              Check out the Bynum dunk at 1:17

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                              Then compare that to the Boozer dunk and it seems like the strength rating allows these guys to disregard the players in front of them. If he happens to be stronger then them and has the momentum advantage. It made more sense on the Bynum dunk then on the Boozer one though.

                              And if we look at D rose (at 1:14) as he goes to the basket he attempts a leaner instead of trying to dunk. Where as with Boozer it MAY have been a dunk instead. Another strength example with Shaq too (at 0:30).

                              <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fDf26SMq8bg&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0& hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fDf26SMq8bg&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0& hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>
                              What bothers me just as much is the odd A.I. I keep seeing, if you look at the picture 014 vid on here at the 1:20 mark what the heck is Joakim Noah doing? He just stands there starring in the crowd while the play goes on around him.

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                              • erickonasis
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 3018

                                #420
                                Re: NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

                                Originally posted by real baller
                                EXACTLY IF DONT KNOW WHAT U DOING IN BASKETBALL ITS GONNA SHOW ( FOR EXAMPLE IF MY 4 YEAR OLD COUSIN IS PLAYING ELITE AND HE DONT KNOW EVERYTHING BOUT BASKETBALL THEN ITS GONNA SHOW ) ON THE OTHER HAND IF I WHO KNOW ALOT BOUT BASKETBALL PLAYING ELITE IM GONNA HAVE SUCCESS WITH THE GAME NO MORE PRE-CANNED ANIMATION POTTY TRAINING
                                Please easy on the caps...and ive been playing and watching Basketball probably before most of you here were even born
                                SLIDERS SUCK

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