NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

[RayDog253]

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I think the confusion is what people think sim actually is Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system, having the ability to do whatever you want is not sim, total control as reanimator put it is not my definition of sim. NBA games should be limited by the rules of the game and the limitations of the players they are representing, each player have different abilities and skill sets and they know for so they would not in all good conscious attempt to do something they physically can't do because they only would hurt their teams chances of winning, my definition of sim and total control sim is being able to tap into a specific players abilities and use them to my advantage doing moves specific to that player when I wanted and not by some random act when you start allowing players to do things that are not know for doing they stop being that player and I am no longer playing a sim game because there is not basics to what is going on in the game and what is going on in the real NBA.

I don't understand. So you think in Elite everyones going to be able to dunk from the free throw line? You don't think they have some kind of realistic Ratings and tendencies?

They have been saying from day one, you have control of their skills. Not you have the control to do what the hell you want, so go ahead and attempt dunks from the three point line.....

[Mike Smoove]

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IF U DONT LIKE NBA ELITE DONT BUY IT !..SIMPLE .. ME I THINK IM GONNA LIKE NBA ELITE JUST BECAUSE I WANT CONTROL....THEN FOR THE LAMES WHO WANT DA ANIMATIONS TO PLAY FOR U JUST BY 2K11 PROBLEM SOLVED!

2K has already said the user is in complete control on the court. You can break out of anything, there is no animations taking over the game.

[da ThRONe]

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if you want a sim-based game, you represent their real-life counterparts and tendencies. Bottom line.

As the user you can control these player. If you never want to attempt this with Nash that fine(not sure I would either LOL) but having an option to do something different isn't anti-sim in my opinion.

[mlp111]

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YALL JUST GONNA HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL .. U GONNA HAVE MAKE DECISIONS FOR YASELF ON DA COURT NOW !.. U GONNA HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO TAKE HOOK SHOT OR A JUMP SHOT OR A LEANER OR OR A FADE-AWAY ..DATS HOW IT IS LOL ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....LOL!...NO MORE OF DA PRE-CANNED ANIMATIONS PLAYING DA GAME FOR U ...U GOTTA LEARN HOW TO PLAY NOW AND CHOSE YA SHOTS WISELY WITH HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS ... I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YALL .. LOL

i know how to play basketball, but i want elite to at least look and feel like real basketball, its a 50/50 thing, 50% is my basketball knowledge and the other 50% is applying that to the 100% available sims game, but i dont see the available sims game as far as elite is concerned, at least from what i have seen and the responses from the devs

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Hoosier, the argument will go on forever

I told you its a difference in philosophy and implementation

I for one don't agree with what im reading what EA is doing

It will definitely make both games different for sure

Good or bad, I dont know but we'll find out

[Young Murder]

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2K has already said the user is in complete control on the court. You can break out of anything, there is no animations taking over the game.

They still exist in 2k11 just not as much as they use to or they are shorter than usual.

[real baller]

YES YES YES EA SPORTS BROUGHT DA DOWN LOW POST GAME BACK !!!!!! YES DA CENTERS ARE GONNA HAVE PURPOSE IN A BASKETBALL GAME AGAIN ...THANKS EA! I DARE ONE OF THOSE ONLINE ARCADE GLITCH BOYS TRY TO PUT IN ALL POINT GUARDS AND SHOOTING GUARDS ON ELITE!...ILL JUST BACK THEM DUMB CLOWNS DOWN

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For the guy calling other posters lames and typing in all caps, enough

[HoosierDaddy]

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there's no grey area. Either you represent or imitate what you see in real-life or you don't. I don't see how you can say, we're a sim game but allow players to do moves they don't do in real-life or give users the ability to pull off moves that their real-life counterparts don't attempt. Notice I said don't attempt, 90% of these players CAN probably dunk if they wanted to, but you don't see it. Pick-up games or warmups, FINE, but when the whistle blows you won't see them trying it.

[coolcras7]

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I don't understand. So you think in Elite everyones going to be able to dunk from the free throw line? You don't think they have some kind of realistic Ratings and tendencies?

They have been saying from day one, you have control of their skills. Not you have the control to do what the hell you want, so go ahead and attempt dunks from the three point line.....

I don't believe I mentioned anyone dunking in my comment, there is a different in simulation a Basketball game and simulation a NBA basketball game and that is because you also have to simulate the specific players themselves, all I am saying if a player depicted in the game is able to do something that the person he was model after can't how is that a simulation.

[real baller]

i didnt even call da posters lame i said the lames online playing live da glitch boys who cheat all day

[fatleg3]

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Same could be said with dribbling. We had the debate while we were at community day about what should happen when big men dribble the ball. Yes, they obviously CAN dribble between their legs, but how often do you see it? It's either slow down the animation and decrease the success of such a move and eventually depending on pressure lose the ball or you allow them to pull off the same types of moves that PGs can do at will. Just because they CAN do it, doesn't mean it's realistic. My whole point is, how often do you see it while you're watching NBA basketball, very rarely. So the game should reflect as much.

You are right, big man rarely dribble between there leg but just because the rarely do in real life dont mean it should rarely happen in the game. In real life if shaq wanted to try and dribble through his legs he can but he knows what most likely will happens if he does. So in the game the user should also be aware of this. You should be able to do it as many time as you like but you should lose the ball just as many times.
While playing the game its like who ever you are controlling then you should have to think like that player. Should i take this shot?, can i pull off this move?, etc.

To me that is sim. Playing like players play in real life. If kobe tries to back down shaq will he be able to no. But at the same time he is more then welcome to if he really wanted to. He does what he knows he can do. So in games it should also replicate that. If you want to win then you have to play like the real players play and do things you know you can do if not then you lose.

Maybe the difficulty should determine things like that. On the lower difficulty you should get away with things like dunking from further away, dribbling with big man, etc. As the difficulty goes higher then you will have to play more truer to how each player plays in real life.

[RayDog253]

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there's no grey area. Either you represent or imitate what you see in real-life or you don't. I don't see how you can say, we're a sim game but allow players to do moves they don't do in real-life or give users the ability to pull off moves that their real-life counterparts don't attempt. Notice I said don't attempt, 90% of these players CAN probably dunk if they wanted to, but you don't see it. Pick-up games or warmups, FINE, but when the whistle blows you won't see them trying it.

Who said were going to be sim but let players do what they don't do in real Life?

And for people that don't dunk in games, I'm pretty sure they're gonna have a real low dunk rating. So I don't get what the problem is.

They all ready said they'll work on fixing the boozer problem, but your acting like they're wanting players to do it.

[da ThRONe]

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You are right, big man rarely dribble between there leg but just because the rarely do in real life dont mean it should rarely happen in the game. In real life if shaq wanted to try and dribble through his legs he can but he knows what most likely will happens if he does. So in the game the user should also be aware of this. You should be able to do it as many time as you like but you should lose the ball just as many times.
While playing the game its like who ever you are controlling then you should have to think like that player. Should i take this shot?, can i pull off this move?, etc.

To me that is sim. Playing like players play in real life. If kobe tries to back down shaq will he be able to no. But at the same time he is more then welcome to if he really wanted to. He does what he knows he can do. So in games it should also replicate that. If you want to win then you have to play like the real players play and do things you know you can do if not then you lose.

Maybe the difficulty should determine things like that. On the lower difficulty you should get away with things like dunking from further away, dribbling with big man, etc. As the difficulty goes higher then you will have to play more truer to how each player plays in real life.

I will add to this. Sim is playing like your real life couterpart because its whats best not just because you have no choice.

[RayDog253]

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I don't believe I mentioned anyone dunking in my comment, there is a different in simulation a Basketball game and simulation a NBA basketball game and that is because you also have to simulate the specific players themselves, all I am saying if a player depicted in the game is able to do something that the person he was model after can't how is that a simulation.

Again, who said players are going to be able to do things they can't do in real life. You guys act like they completely scrapped ratings and tendencies.

They all ready said that the boozer thing might be fixed all ready. If not they was gonna try and do what they can. I hope it's something simple that can be tuned, if not then it could get really annoying.