NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

[mlp111]

Re: NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

no what i'm saying is 2k is still half a package. it looks pretty, the animations are smooth. but you still cant play real basketball with it. and its still a cheesers game more so then it is a person that knows how to work the sticks/bball iq persons game. You will know when a game is a real sim game when cheesers cant win at it via cheesing. cheesers now dont have to find some super glitch all they have to do is abuse some unrealistic portion of the game and wa-la. none of these games are 100% on target.

I want it all personally. but i will sacrafice look for gameplay for one year knowing if the game play is 75% there in their first year. it will be 90% there the second year using RTP and tighting up the graphics.

people are complaing about a look more so then they are the RTP. but they keep saying they dont see any RTP. you cant really see it. you FEEL it with the sticks. thats why they keep saying this. but people act as if they didn't read those threads from the devs or something.

and you can say that elite wont be a cheeser game????? take a look at those videos and realize that elite 11 will be a killer cheeser game...... the videos all showed that.

[mlp111]

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I loved the in and out move jennings did at the 2:04 mark but to bad felton stayed in front of him and jennings couldnt go anywhere.

Thats what i like about this game. On offense you have the ability to get past the defender but on defense you have the tools to stay in front of your man. And that goes back to removing the canned animations.

Mark my words that will be what makes this game for the people that like it

i don't see any defense that you are talking about.... the game seems like the users are trying their hardest to make this look like a sim experience, jennign crossing over on felton pretty much no defense their, the fast break jennings had a free layup instead the user stopped and set up a play, y???? just tooo many things that i can't over look, so my decision is about 97.9% made up, i leave it to the demo to for 2.1% TO CONVINCE ME, this game looks like a cheesers dream!!!!!

[mlp111]

Re: NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

It looked too deliberate. There were times when the one user could have easily drove to the basket or scored and they passed the ball around instead trying to make the game look good. You can clearly see they wanted to highlight a few things like the dribble moves and this was a much better video to watch than those other ones. But it felt too much like a promotional video trying to hide some flaws.

exactly, what i was saying!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mlp111]

Re: NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

there seems to be some suction in the video, it seem really fast but seems to be there and that in air collision looks soooooo bad...........sigh

[jmood88]

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RTP is the first step towards giving us a frustration free experience. Scenarios play out in Elite the way they play out in real life. Now you won't see that from videos, but when you're in control I guarantee you will see this. RTP is really something you can't show off in these 5 on 5 videos, you could do it in an artistic commercial fashion but not through user vs user vids.

Why can't you show off physics in a user vs user game? If the physics are supposed to affect all movement and collisions on the court then it has nothing to do with who is playing. I don't see how scenarios are going to play out like they do in real life when you have players with 15 feet verticals warping through the defense for dunks or guys sliding everywhere while moving with the ball.

[bmgoff11]

u guys are funny on any game u can cheese 2k or elite / the game play looked smooth to me / interested in the demo now

[RayDog253]

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Why do you guys think it was an OS exclusive????

It's pretty obvious they played they way they did cause they thought the "sim heads" of OS would appreciate that style of gameplay.

Not saying I liked the way they played the game, but that seems like a reasonable excuse.

I would of liked a more aggressive offense and defense. But the quick plays IMO was the highlight of the video.

[gmac0322]

Re: NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

Why do you guys think it was an OS exclusive????

It's pretty obvious they played they way they did cause they thought the "sim heads" of OS would appreciate that style of gameplay.

Not saying I liked the way they played the game, but that seems like a reasonable excuse.

I would of liked a more aggressive offense and defense. But the quick plays IMO was the highlight of the video.

I agree with you completely. I also would've rather seen user vs. ai. I think once we see the computer play that is when we will see what type of game that we have.

[striker3771]

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It looked too deliberate. There were times when the one user could have easily drove to the basket or scored and they passed the ball around instead trying to make the game look good. You can clearly see they wanted to highlight a few things like the dribble moves and this was a much better video to watch than those other ones. But it felt too much like a promotional video trying to hide some flaws.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I've watched the video atleast 10 times to find something positive but I can't. The gameplay is stale and it plays identical to Live 10.

[AceOfDavid]

I think they play it safe not a lot of action

[Da-Man]

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1) I didnt like the pace of the game, thought it was too slow compared to the other vids.

2) Commentary sounds boring but i guess thats because this is the first time those guys are doing it so i expect next year to be a lot better.
Also the begging cutscene with the guys warming up is the same as last year... didnt the community guys make some suggestions to EA concerning improving presentation?

3) Gameplay, rebounding, dribbling and animations from what iv seen so far looked smoother and better than live 10.

[elprez98]

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OK I'm going to break this down into points that I liked and disliked as I notice them. I've watched the vid 3 times before even beginning and on this 4th time, I'll notate things that liked and didn't like. I also haven't read anything in this thread before posting.


1. The game looked paced a lot better than the Venice Beach videos. I'm not really sure what we were seeing in the capture, but this looks like a much slower, realistically paced game.

2. It can easily, be seen that you have a lot of control as a ball handler. The one-to-one movements look exactly what I liked about Live 10.

3. i especially like the off-ball movement by the computer. It seemed very lifelike and realistic to have the players constantly moving around the court, trying to get open.

4. The look of the MSG in the intro is very nice. It looks realistic and gets you hyped up for the game, as it should.

5. All of the announcers sound dead and uninterested. There needs to be a bit more coaching of these guys to sound more similar to what they do on TV.

6. The interaction of the players on picks, annoys me. There doesn't seem to be a realistic interaction as players set the picks.

7. At 1:30, again, the layup animation by Jennings is just ugly. I just don't see Brandon laying it up with his right hand on the left side, and he sort of "mini" rocket layups to basket. It just doesn't look nice.

8. 1:45, loved the play for Gallinari. It was well run. Its nice to see the play develop and a player get rewarded for good play.

9. 2 I'm sounding like a broken record, but I'm not sure what the Salmons drive was supposed to be. I'm guessing that the RTP kicked in, but it made him throw up a reverse, airballed, no look layup? I didn't like that AT ALL. I'm sure fouls were turned off to optimize the amount of game play that could be shown in a five minute clip. So with that little caveat, I guess I can live with it.

10. 2:25: Gallanari is not bringing the ball up the court with through the legs and behind the back dribbles. I think that will be one of the things that bothers me the most about this new direction for Live. Although total control is good, I just don't like seeing guys doing things in the game, that they wouldn't do in an NBA game (i'm sure they all can perform these moves, if you saw them on the playground).

11. 2:53: I didn't like the hopstep by Jennings. It looks like he just hopsteps around/through the the defender completely unnaturally. That looks like something that could be abused in the game.

12. 3:13: I LOVED the post move by Gallanari. It was seemless and the contact under the hoop looked VERY nice.

13. 3:45: I really liked how Bogut tried to defend baseline and slipped on the over-pursuit. Those are the little things that need to continue popping up for Elite to maintain competition.

14. I'm just noticing, I know its early, but the crowd doesn't seem very lifelike. There's some atmosphere missing here.

15. 3:50: On Amare's postup there was sound and Amare's body signaling contact, but no RTP involving Bogut. He's just standing there unfazed. Didn't like that.

16. 4:14: Maggette's dunk looked real nice.


Definitely a video that EA needed to show. I like what I'm seeing from a control standpoint, however, personally, I need more authentic NBA. Right now, I see a game that could be a nice overall basketball game, but doesn't really feel like an NBA game. I'm still reserving final judgment for the demo, but I just don't see spending a full $60 on this game yet. I'd probably buy it used, although paying $10 to play online isn't too appealing either.

The game controls look good, especially the post game. But TO ME, despite the NBA logo, arena, player names, etc., the game still comes off as a generic brand of basketball.

[Teebone21]

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1) I didnt like the pace of the game, thought it was too slow compared to the other vids.

2) Commentary sounds boring but i guess thats because this is the first time those guys are doing it so i expect next year to be a lot better.
Also the begging cutscene with the guys warming up is the same as last year... didnt the community guys make some suggestions to EA concerning improving presentation?

3) Gameplay, rebounding, dribbling and animations from what iv seen so far looked smoother and better than live 10.

the game speed was perfect compared to the other vid. Its the nba not local fast break playground ball.

[NDIrish98]

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As a person who liked nba live last year, this video to me looks worse than live 10.and I think all of it has to do with the player models and animations because honestly neither looked good, in fact, I think both parts g ame took way too much of a hit. Just looks like a step back to me. And another thing that irks me is why sports games, not all but most, almost always reuse the same cut scenes or some of the same cut scenes year in and year out? As a consumer if I'm going to buy a"new" game I really don't want to see the same stuff that was in last years version. Not sure about the way elite is looking this season

[brs2305]

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First of...I really don't like the money talk (shouldn't be worth 60$). Yeah I know it's an issue for a lot of people and many of you are going to flame me, which is ok. I can live with that.

But for me it just sounds like all the Devs working on this product havn't put enough work into this product so they are not worth the 60 bucks. I just think, if you don't like it than don't buy it. But saying that it should just be like 40 bucks (not even mentioned that it includes a great looking second game) is like saying this game is as worse as "Garden Simulator 2010". It will not be as worse and I might bet that some might even change their mind after the demo.

This is how I look at the game. I was really not impressed, rather disappointed after my first watch. Next thing I did was reading this whole thread and asked myself, how come some people actually liked some things, who I know are no fanboys of any kind. So I thought about NBA Live 10, which in my opinion was pretty enjoyable aside many facts that just killed the game in the long run.

One of the major thing was the canned animation problem in the paint. The CPU or for that matter anybody could just run into the paint and 3 out of 4 times they would draw a foul in an ugly animation with sightly raised foul sliders (which you need for realistic foul amount in 48 min). Now with RTP, I have a feeling that this might not be such big issue. In this game there was no foul called, however I also haven't seen anything that should have been.

The other thing was, that while in an animation you totally lost control of your player. I hadn't had that feeling that either user lost control at any time, which is a huge pro for ELITE.

So actually there might be too major points solved or at least changed to the better.

However on the defensive end I haven't seen much greatness in that matter. Maybe that's a user issue, however who if not a dev could present that part of the game in a good way at that point. For the most part I felt they had serious problems to stay effectively in front of their opponent, which was just not expoited by the other user.

Also it looked like the users were really trying hard to represent the game so it looks like a realistic NBA game, which like many others saw, resulted in broken up fastbreaks and a forced halfcourt game, which is actually kind of weird b/c the transition game in Live 10 had been a weak part, so they actually could have shown us a great improvement made in ELITE.

I think MJJr said people shouldn't worry too much about the graphics. Well while I would say I do prefer a great game over graphics (hell, I still love CHOOPS2k8 like crazy) I think we kinda arrived at the year 2010 and while I think they made some good (not great) improvement in Live 10 I still don't understand why things in ELITE still look plain dead. Honestly, sometimes I felt there was more life in the crowd (actually looks like out of The Sims 3 :wink: but better than in L10) than in the players. I mean I am by far not an expert on that topic, but aren't graphics and gameplay two different and especially independently treaded stories? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think much has chanced until Live 10 and now it looks even more dead. Wrong lighting? Cartoonish colors? Wrong graphics engine? I have no idea. I am just a user, there is no life in live, well excuse ELITE, and that's pretty sad, especially if you want to build a story out of your Dynasty. So I hope this IS something they are also looking at for next year.

There are many things I could go into detail, which is rather pointless however concerning presentation and commentary. We will see about that at a later point.

I think the point I am trying to make is. While I also have many things I am kinda disappointed with I think people should give devs a chance to prove that they can create a great looking and playing Basketballgame and not bury it before they have actually played it. Try the Demo and then walk to your PC and ARGUE about what you liked, what you disliked, what you want to be added. Talking naively offensive about a game will not make it better. It's not the 2k forum where you can complain about wrong colored headbands. It's ELITE and OS is part of building a new game with EA, which will take a little time. Come on guys