NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Miami Heat @ Orlando Magic

[coolcras7]

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At this point I'm pretty sure I'm paying $60 for NBA Jam and getting Elite for free lol.

nope you are paying 60 for a dumbed down Jam game only the Wii will have the full game.

[JerseySuave4]

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Well yes and no. At some point, they ARE beholden to the fans or the fans will lose all faith. There's really no excuse not to release videos when your competitor is releasing them. Then when the Elite 11 event videos came out, they pretty much had to go into damage control. Don't forget, before those videos, people assumed the media silence meant trouble. So they have to show something and they can't hide too much. What they CAN do play shells and say, "Hey, focus on THIS is this video, and THAT in that video." But that's if they feel the need to hide anything of course. I'm just saying that the fact that they are showing videos doesn't mean they don't recognize it can look really bad to people.

plus keep in mind that until we got those user gameplay vids the only vids we had gotten was when a Elite producer happened to see something they liked while playing the game, and even those vids werent always that great. But it just seemed dumb that the only vids we were getting were when the guys would pick 1 play out of the many hours of playing the game. So we didnt know if the game was any good or if they had to wait until they could actually find a play good enough to show.

Then once the user gameplay vids came out they pretty much had to release gameplay vids quickly. Like you said, it doesnt look good when your competition is putting out vids and youre not because then it appears like youre trying to hide your flaws and with the way things are these days with 24/7 forums to express your thoughts and opinions, people wont accept not seeing the game before it comes out.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Oh come on man. You can sit there and try to reinterpret the message all you want. Don't try to pretend that this was not the message being sent: "Please forgive the look of the game. We focused more on feel." When you OPENLY tell people to focus more on one aspect, that means less on the aspect they admit is falling short. There's no talking around that.

As far as this goes that is not what im getting because when i see the videos i look at the animations plus the control.

How can you "look at" controls? Granted, there are some things you can read about controls when looking, but there's no way in on this Earth you can really see anything definitive about controls from a 3rd party view. That's just not possible. But you see what you want to see. Extrapolating is very dangerous. But, you'll convince yourself that it's all good before even touching the game. So, I guess there's nothing else to say on your side. Others are not so easily convinced. Respect that and don't assume they "see" the same things you think you see.

Im not going to sit here and sugar coat anything. But everything about whats been going on here is based of opinions.

Well, everything you've said has been YOUR opinion. Even what you think you "see" in controls is based SOLELY on opinion and how much you buy into what EA has been telling you about the game. You choose to use sugar to form your opinion and others choose to use salt. It's that simple.

With that said I for myself pay more attention to whats different which is the controls and what you can do because the graphics are basically the same as live 10. Not much has changed. So to me its kind of like looking at the same game but its being played a little different. And im not saying the graphics being the same is a good thing because there are things that can be improved on

Then you don't disagree with many of the people you've been arguing with. The focus on what's missing while you focus on what was added. Again, the way I see it - many people feel that the area of neglect should not have been necessary. You think it was an acceptable compromise. Seems you and the devs agree. Forgive those that disagree.

[coolcras7]

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plus keep in mind that until we got those user gameplay vids the only vids we had gotten was when a Elite producer happened to see something they liked while playing the game, and even those vids werent always that great. But it just seemed dumb that the only vids we were getting were when the guys would pick 1 play out of the many hours of playing the game. So we didnt know if the game was any good or if they had to wait until they could actually find a play good enough to show.

Then once the user gameplay vids came out they pretty much had to release gameplay vids quickly. Like you said, it doesnt look good when your competition is putting out vids and youre not because then it appears like youre trying to hide your flaws and with the way things are these days with 24/7 forums to express your thoughts and opinions, people wont accept not seeing the game before it comes out.

It was not just that they were not releasing videos it was the fact that we were a almost a month away from release and no one knew how the game looked with 5 on 5

[NoTiCe_O]

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I see so much options and control this games gives the user, and potential, potential, potential.

[Nines]

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Live was on the right path last year. I really believed they were. It was fun to play, albeit annoying at some times... but now I watch this Elite stuff, and I don't know guys.

I just don't know. It seems stuff went hideously wrong somewhere. I'm not one to rag on games especially pre-release but I am completely baffled how they seem to have fouled up the good foundation they laid last year. People look at these vids and say they are improving, but to me it looks worse with every viewing.

I just don't know.

[fatleg3]

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I really think people are trying to get others banned.

But anyway back to the video,

with live 10 the tipoffs looked like canned animations also that was per-determined as soon as it started. It looks like it will be the same

[Dalsanto0026]

The last couple of videos with the broadcast cam make the game look better. An improvement over the north/south cam. Some of those dunks looked quite nice though the step back j's look goofy.

There's still a lot of work to do but overall not bad. I'm still eager to try the demo.

[fatleg3]

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The last couple of videos with the broadcast cam make the game look better. An improvement over the north/south cam. Some of those dunks looked quite nice though the step back j's look goofy.

There's still a lot of work to do but overall not bad. I'm still eager to try the demo.

I can see people using the step back jumper a lot because every time the user did it he hide room to shoot

[BDM313]

looks good a bit fast since it was filmed from the video camera overall the cam angle makes elite look so much better cant wait til the demo drops

[yungflo]

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I'll honestly wait the next 2 years. It'd be really really interesting if EA can achieve RTP. Think about it, that would change video games forever!

[wai2408]

oh my god ~~ ea should stop making any basketball game anymore~~ How can they made a game unrealistic like that.
Ever they slow it down ~ it still a unrealistic game ~ not doubt
Ea better suck up this series ~

[turftickler]

Re: NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Miami Heat @ Orlando Magic

Looking better and better...can't remember specific players but:

At 1:15 - Carter "hop step" move does concern me with cheesers...hopefully it's possible to pick up charges once the hop step is started...

At 1:40 - Heat player was in mid-air going to basket and ball was knocked out...would never have happened with a "canned" animation...

At 3:00 for those of you that said all makes are swishes - Carter made a shot off glass, rim, glass and in...

At 4:00 - great mid-air collision on a dunk attempt (although a foul should have been called)...

I like what I see in this video. The only thing that concerns me is the foul/collision detection. Is it there when you are in the air as well, does it only happen when the shooter is in the air or on the ground when hit?

All in all though, that was a good video. I could even point out most of the players in that one. Looks like Chalmers got a number change.

[buchimane]

Why do people even think this game has a chance this year... With all the hype and improvement that 2k11 has... The 1st week sales will be the final nail in coffin.... This Elite vid is the worst representation of basketball..... So u elite jock riders can go ahead and have their 200 point games and dunkfests .... 2k11 is were the real is at.....

[mrclutch]

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I think most of us can agree that this is the best vid so far. No doubt the Broadcast view has something to do with it. I am certainly less dicouraged after this vid than the the previous ones.

Playing the demo is were it is going to be at. The developers have said over and over again that you have to "feel the control". What has alway been funny to me though is I thought the level of control was the strength of Live 10. We will see.