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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
Impressions of Patch #3 and tuner pack
1. The first thing a noticed right off the bat after I played a game with patch #3 and tuner pack was that the O-Line pass block logic had improved significantly. The guards stand their ground and do a better job of standing up the interior D-Lineman. TE's and backs do a better job picking up blitzes, but they still have cases of brain fade from time to time more so than the CPU team. O-Tackle play in particular is a real treat. This has been a source of frustration for me in the past, but now the OT's push DE's out wide and with the combination of the center and guards holding blocks longer it makes for a beautiful pocket. This is my favorite part of the update because it allows the user and the CPU team to step up in the pocket and make throws. It also allows for QB scrambles up the middle. Keep in mind that this is on AA default sliders for Pass Block and Pass Rush for both HUM and CPU. I'm hearing this part of the update is causing problems for Heisman users because of the dreaded Robo QB. More on that later.
2. The Man coverage has been softened, but to be honest that is a positive because the 'psychic' DB is dead. Lesser CBs have a harder time covering stud WRs and I see a big difference in LB's covering WRs in man coverage. The LBs are getting beat badly. This is how it should be. The better DBs will still make plays, but now you can see the difference between the great players and the avg to bad players that play on the perimeter. The sheep have been separated from the goats.
3. Zone coverage has improved, not in a major way, but it has improved enough to the point where I am satisfied. D players now roam in there zones and are less static. They shadow receivers that venture across the middle, slants and drag routes are read better. Safeties are reacting much better in zones. A huge improvement here. Safety brain fade was a big issue and I have yet to see it since the tuner set.
4. CPU run game is a force to be reckoned with. I can see the possibility of a lot of new slider sets with the CPU run blocking toned down coming soon, depending on the skill level of the user. The RBs are picking the correct holes and are behaving more like a user controlled back, as in they are making better football decisions. Showing better vision. With the CPU run blocking set at 50 a star RB will be extremely hard to stop. I'd love to see a user set the CPU run slider to 100 and his Rush D slider to 0 now!
I'm sure I left some things out but those are the main changes to gameplay that I see. Now these are all positives, but the only thing killing the changes to the pass D is Robo QB. That is why some are complaining because the increased accuracy of the QB's can cancel out all of this. The variable of random inaccuracy has been taken away from the game. If the accuracy was the same before that first tuner update we would all be in heaven right now.
Personally I think Robo QB was a result of the tuner that came with Patch 2 and not the patch itself and here is why. I never had a tuner set until today when I was informed that I was not eligible to receive a tuner because I bout a used game. Keep in mind that when I fired this game up first time end of July I received the 2nd patch with no tuner. The CPU QBs would make random overthrows, especially on deep passes. I wondered what all the fuss was about on these boards about Robo, thinking I had tuners at the time. Now today I download the tuners after acquiring Online Pass from EA and now Robo QB is here with me! I have a unique perspective in all this having explained that I didn't suffer from Robo before I got the tuners and because of that I am convinced that this problem is the gameplay killer of them all. The changes in this tuner pack and patch were great for gameplay, yet they are being nullified by the Robo QB.
EA. Please bring back the accuracy of the QBs to pre tuner 1 levels. These great changes you have made will all be in vain otherwise.Last edited by Sundown2600; 09-07-2010, 07:45 PM.Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
AA with what was once one of SN's slider sets, which I've changed quite a bit since. I could post them if anyone cares enough, but I doubt it, especially since I have no clue how they would play for someone who can actually read defenses and pass well.Comment
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I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I don’t think you realize that what you heard was not entirely what I meant.Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
^This^
I would suggest throwing out your slider sets all except for maybe QB accuracy. With CPU defense sliders at default except for ints, I was held to 31 points. I would've scored 80 points against default sliders pre-patch.Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
I have no idea where any of you are saying that zones are any different at all than they were before. They're basically exactly the same as they've always been. Safeties in deep zones are useless and defenders in hook zones more or less give up easy completions underneath everytime.
Probably more importantly though is the fact that the pass rush is basically non-existent for human controlled teams on default All-American, so good luck stopping anybody if you like to play online. You can't control a DE and manually try to get pressure because of the aforementioned problems with coverage, and any player of any skill is going to pass all over you unless you at least manually take away one or two things. But with the absolute lack of pass rush, they will have all day to throw virtually everytime, so unless they stupidly throw into coverage when they don't have to, then you aren't going to stop them. You can try to blitz and catch them offguard, but if you go to that well too many times then eventually they're going to recognize it and hit you for big gains.
The root of this problem is that EA essentially nerfed the "DL aggressive" setting. You basically can't use it now because it results in offsides virtually every time. And without getting the AI to jump the snap, there's never any penetration or pass rush.
They either need to make the DL Aggressive setting work like it used to (where you almost never got drawn off) or (probably more realistically) need to seriously up the defensive pass rush ability for AI controlled players on human teams.Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
I am thinking the delay by microsoft, is a last minute push by Gates to get Harvard in the game. Figuring he never graduated from there, he is elated at the chance of running with Erin Andrews in Road to glory, bringing Harvard to national prominence in year two.
Or, the developers are streaming any backlash from the PS3 community before release, in order to make any tweaks(guinea pigs). I pray man coverage is not going to be a sore spot, like I have read in previous posts.Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
I personally think nothing is going to change with the QB Accuracy. They are going to continue to sit pretty at 10 CPU and 15 UserComment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
So how is the pass rush and pass defense for the user against the CPU?
Anyone have a good set of post patch 3 an tuner 3 sliders???
Or has a series of patches made the game unplayable for the 2nd year in a row???PSN: buckeye02Comment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
this is an absolute joke that the xbox version isnt out yetComment
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Re: NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Available (PS3)
Speaking of jumping the snap, how do you do that?Comment
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