NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

[domidomdomz]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

By Play systems I simply meant teams like the thunder get everyone involved in one or two MAIN sets. W regardless of where they go with the ball that thunder stack is a main staple. ( in real life of course teams run between 100-500 plus plays over the course of a season so they run more than what you see in this game) however in video game form it gives them a base to work out of.

Other teams in real life run a lot of plays out of a lot of sets... Like the hawks run some of the utah stuff some floppy so they don;t have a defined "system" that they play out of.

The triangle would be another case of defined set's. Again that is just my interpretation of what I was seeing from team to team.

It appears that they tried to concentrate on plays / sets that separates each team. In the NBA there are plenty of teams who run similar stuff its just not their staple plays. From that standpoint 2k clearly decided to focus this upgrade on what teams mainly do different.


As for the 10 teams I don't foresee much interest once guys actually have the demo In fact youtube should be flooded with video content once the demo drops so I just don't want to duplicate any effort. We'll see though.

Plus after 5 shows I think the point will be pretty much driven home..LOL each team plays different.

Thanks, man. "Play system" is pretty clear to me now.

As for the 10 team vids, I think no demo footage can compare to the clarity of presentation of play calling system of your videos. Heck, I even doubt if those demo footages which will surface show some plays (ok, maybe two or three) but your videos are truly invaluable. But still, it's still your call, fam.

If we would only have 5 team vids, that would be still golden to our eyes here in Sim Nation. More power to you, man.

[onyx030]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

i'm just wondering:

the entire community is freaking out after those videos, as same as we all did after the DC and 2k10 videos last year. every1 said this will be GOAT etc. etc.

and what was it at the end ?
a half sim half arcade kind of mixed crap with lots of bugs, dunkfests, dozens of AND-1s and horrible AI.
just asking myself how ppl can already be so optimistic after last years disappointment. i wont belief a thing of 2Ks PR-Marketing until i've got the full game and it shows me some real AI and serious gameplay improvements while im playing.

just sayin ....

[idrisguitar]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

Have to agree, Czar vids are so many hundred miles ahead of ANY other gameplay vid that you worrying about duplicating should not even come into question.

its like saying the Coen brothers dont want to put out a film about gambling because a student from a junior college made something similar. (you are the coen bros in this example of course )

[TeeDogg]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

The guy on the Mic in the theme song is Excelent. you dont hear that type of talent on the radio anymore. Mic skillz at its best

[demencia_total]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

Man, after all these years of being a basketball fan and playing video games, this is the first time that I truly feel its all coming together. As you get older, you start to appreciate the game differently and notice all the little nuances that are part of the NBA game instead of focusing on the flash and the highlight reels. I really appreciate what you are doing Czar, because this is what a lot of us truly care about: real bball.

In all the clamoring for headbands, socks, and flashy dunks, this stuff gets lost really easily. And I don't mean that as a slight, as I believe that the guys who keep hammering away for true visual authenticity have great points. But all that means doesn't hold as much ground if we aren't playing a game that truly reflects basketball for what it is. It was fun all those years playing videogames and having mindless fun, but I'm ready for something more "organic". And with these videos, I can finally see that they are on track. Might not be perfect in the end, but it looks damn good.

So what I'm really trying to say is: thanks brah, appreciate it.

[Goffs]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

i'm just wondering:

the entire community is freaking out after those videos, as same as we all did after the DC and 2k10 videos last year. every1 said this will be GOAT etc. etc.

and what was it at the end ?
a half sim half arcade kind of mixed crap with lots of bugs, dunkfests, dozens of AND-1s and horrible AI.
just asking myself how ppl can already be so optimistic after last years disappointment. i wont belief a thing of 2Ks PR-Marketing until i've got the full game and it shows me some real AI and serious gameplay improvements while im playing.

just sayin ....

easy...i have eyes and i use them

just sayin....

[MVP23]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

Cant Wait!!!

[onyx030]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

easy...i have eyes and i use them

just sayin....

then read the beginning of my post again cuz you clearly ignored it.
every one had eyes a year back ago and was so stunned by the DC and 2k10 vids (including myself), and insights, and previews and so on .... and now tell me it lived up to the expectations and promises.

never mind - suit yourself

i hope it will be as good as presented, but i don't expect it.

btw i can make u also a vid of 2k10 showing u how great the defense is, just need 10h of footage and cut it to the few good things of the game :P

just to give u something to think about to "i have eyes" - u see what i choose to show you :>

[Goffs]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

then read the beginning of my post again cuz you clearly ignored it.
every one had eyes a year back ago and was so stunned by the DC and 2k10 vids (including myself), and insights, and previews and so on .... and now tell me it lived up to the expectations and promises.

never mind - suit yourself

i hope it will be as good as presented, but i don't expect it.

btw i can make u also a vid of 2k10 showing u how great the defense is, just need 10h of footage and cut it to the few good things of the game :P

just to give u something to think about to "i have eyes" - u see what i choose to show you :>

nothing to think about since im seeing the vids myself...all that was wrong in 2k looks to be fixed! my main complaints were plays and movement and OH LOOK The_Czar is just providing that! along with a COMPARISON from 2k10 which you can SEE for yourself...

how bout showing us some vids on how well and fluid the movements were in 2k10...by all means edit a vid of 2k10 to make it move as fluid as 2k11 and SHOW ME!

[demencia_total]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

then read the beginning of my post again cuz you clearly ignored it.
every one had eyes a year back ago and was so stunned by the DC and 2k10 vids (including myself), and insights, and previews and so on .... and now tell me it lived up to the expectations and promises.

never mind - suit yourself

i hope it will be as good as presented, but i don't expect it.

btw i can make u also a vid of 2k10 showing u how great the defense is, just need 10h of footage and cut it to the few good things of the game :P

just to give u something to think about to "i have eyes" - u see what i choose to show you :>

There is no amount of video editing* that will show proper spacing in NBA 2k10 and players running smooth plays, unless of course, you manipulate the footage itself. Did a lot of us get excited? Yep, it looked cool at the time. But look back, and you'll see a lot of people complaining about the same things every year. If you can't really see the basic improvements made to the game so far, then I don't know what to say.

Will we find problems with the AI and other annoying things? I'll bet you any amount that we will. I know there will be people here kidding themselves and getting overhyped to the point that they will be brought back to earth, but most people (like myself) are just happy to see some real basketball decisions being made in the game instead of what we've been getting before. And yes, I can tell the difference by watching a few selected clips. Unless of course, this is all faked by the Czar in his evil elaborate plan to build up the 2k hype machine.

I've heard/read crazier things before though...

[onyx030]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

you both are right about the animations and spacing/playcalling system.
i didnt said that those things are bad - they really look nice.
but i get nothing out of it when e.g. bad AI destroys achieved improvement, thats why i'm still very skeptical. and you can only know if you play yourself a decent amount of completed matches.
single scenes of videos dont tell anything about the overall package.

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

I love the spacing on the court...The post plays were nice.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

you both are right about the animations and spacing/playcalling system.
i didnt said that those things are bad - they really look nice.
but i get nothing out of it when e.g. bad AI destroys achieved improvement, thats why i'm still very skeptical. and you can only know if you play yourself a decent amount of completed matches.
single scenes of videos dont tell anything about the overall package.

First off healthy skepticism is a great thing.There were a good amount of people myself included there were not that excited about the gameplay in the combine. Same glaring issues where there The last time there was this amount of anticipation and expectation from the 2k forum as a whole was 2k7 closest to that was 2k8. So I disagree that there was this type of momentum last year. Could be wrong of course but I disagree.

ALso there were "these" types of videos for 2k last year that I recall. All that said the forum is about a balance. YOur bringing healthy skepticism and that is great for that balance. However just like others have said that doesn't negate the few things that can be clearly seen especially in comparison with the 2k10 footage.

Make no mistake these aren't 2k11 is flawless videos. They are just highlighting some of the improvements that I noticed but I always leave the caveat of I didn't play for real extended amount of time. No matter what I show skeptics will always be able to say well you can't tell about " " from him just showing " ".

If I show all transition there is no half court game. I I show halfcourt there is no tansition game... LOL etc etc. so just take em for what they are man. Information to tide you over.

Also don't forget i know these guys. If i start making stuff up I know they will have the game in 3 weeks and will let me know about it. ROTFLOL. That would just be foolish.

[BezO]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

*does the Running Man in this post*

Sweet!

[greenegt]

Re: NBA 2K11: Ten Teams in Ten Days - Day 2: San Antonio Spurs (Da_Czar)

Thanks for the vid, Czar. I am salivating at the depth of this game. The improved movement alone is a great step up from last year, let alone the authentic play sets and improved playcalling mechanics. I am in awe of the dev team. Wow!