New Tuner set is BAD

[HawkeyMediaPlus]

Now before you guys say "get better" etc etc, I will tell you that my record in EASHL club and otp is 41-14, 15 goals, 38 assists, +50 as a 2 way defenseman. (So please don't come on here and say "you just suck")

Shooting:

I am very frustrated that I am being punished as a defenseman. When I get the puck at the point, I usually have 1-2 guys pursuing me.. Now if I can get free of those guys I can get to the slot and take a slap shot.. HOWEVER, according to redshirtEA (developer), they made the slapshot ineffective in the slot.

I don't know about you, but if the other team allows me to creep in and take a slapper in close, then that is THEIR fault. It is not a glitch if I score a slapper in the slot. So why did they lower it?

Also they lowered wristers in the slot as well. I don't get it..

robo-goalies

The robo-goalies are back as well. When the game first came out, a 66 (standard AI Goalie) played like a 66. They would have realistic reactions.. Now its more robotic.. It is almost like the goalie can be all the way on the other side of the crease and then warped to the other side...

Checking

This, for the most part seems fine. My guy has 80 balance, 83 speed, 83 endurance, 83 acceleration, 80 agility and I am able to lay some massive hits.. YOU CANNOT just throw everything into checking. Remember it is a real time physics engine so speed, balance, stamina play a roll.. SO I LIKE the checking for the most part..

HOWEVER, 1 little thing is that i see boarding calls when a guy hits someone going 2 miles per hour. But when someone comes charging at full speed, it is not a boarding call... Seems like there are too many phantom calls.

Phantom calls:

Seriously the tripping animation where the guy barely moves it bs. I dont care what the rules say. All I know is that when I watch the NHL on tv, they dont call that.

Other than that it seems fine (maybe too much elbowing but i upped my disipline to 80)

Poke check:

Simply too ineffective. I have 85 stick check and yes I am good at poking the puck away but what is bs is that my guy barely puts his stick out. I find my self stick lifting more which is fine but I would also like to have the physics back to where the poke check is a more viable option.

Protect puck and dekes

I am amazed at how people can be surrounded by 4 guys, yet they do protect puck and it automatically goes through guys.. Even my teammates do it and I just sit back and roll my eyes lol.. Also I like the dekes but again, it shouldnt mean that it should go THROUGH people.. A good deke doesnt make you warped through someone..


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1.03.01

[SinisterAlex]

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Don't people ever listen or read posts by Redshirt? He has said time and time again, NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH GOALIES except for the fact that in close slapshots and shots near the goal line don't go in as much...

C'mon people.

[TON1C]

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He may have said that but it sure seems like they have changed.

[stew514]

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I agree with most of the OP except for poke checks. Poke checks are pretty well balanced versus everything except the A button puck protect, which I agree needs to be nerfed. Wrist shots don't do diddly anymore unless you whip it back for that curl shot. Slapshots from the point are a joke, now the slapshots in tight were a bit glitchy, but reduce the accuracy and beef up the power a bit. Slapshots/deflections/screens these are all virtually non existant because even in the off chance a defender gets a good shot on net, the goalie will still see it through a good screen.

Checking is fine, but some consistency would be nice in the penalties.

As for the comment that wristers haven't been touched. Delete the tuner settings and head into practice mode, then re download them. The new tuners have turned it into nhl 10 with big hits, which is frustrating.

[kickingguru]

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The issue is that good hockey play is penalized, bad hockey is rewarded. Goals come from deke deke deke curl shot goal. Passing, set up, point shots, now are all simply excercises in futility. It is the pure Cherry Picking that is the best method to get goals.

We will see how they adjust next time..... who knows anymore.... If you can't stop the glitchy type goals, then at least alow us to score legit ones every once in a blue moon..

Late,

The Guru

[SinisterAlex]

Re: New Tuner set is BAD

The issue is that good hockey play is penalized, bad hockey is rewarded. Goals come from deke deke deke curl shot goal. Passing, set up, point shots, now are all simply excercises in futility. It is the pure Cherry Picking that is the best method to get goals.

We will see how they adjust next time..... who knows anymore.... If you can't stop the glitchy type goals, then at least alow us to score legit ones every once in a blue moon..

Late,

The Guru

These don't work if you use a good set of sliders. I've scored many clean wristers and point shots .

[King10Sooted]

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These don't work if you use a good set of sliders. I've scored many clean wristers and point shots .

The issue is with online where you cant use sliders.

[SinisterAlex]

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The issue is with online where you cant use sliders.

True, but nothing has changed like I said earlier.

[kickingguru]

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Whether or not goalies have changed or not I wont argue... What has changed is the ability to score legit goals.... All day today, if it was two legit teams playing, it was won 1-0 in the 3rd OT.... If you were legit playing a cheese team... you might get in a goal with 3 min. left and down 5-0....
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I stopped being a defense man today and created a center for the first time ever... that includes thousands of games online in 09 and 10.. the reason? Defenseman cannot score from their stated positions. Slappers simply do not go in with the tuner update.... With the passing issues, it is close to impossible to get an assist from a defense postion... I prided myself in sticking to D for the last 2 years... Today... that ended..

Before the tuning update... you could out play most cheese teams for a solid 4-2 win... Only the highly skilled teams would beat us... Sat and Sun was an excercise of pain that I have not experienced playing NHL the past 2 years...

Who knows....

The Guru

[King10Sooted]

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Whether or not goalies have changed or not I wont argue... What has changed is the ability to score legit goals.... All day today, if it was two legit teams playing, it was won 1-0 in the 3rd OT.... If you were legit playing a cheese team... you might get in a goal with 3 min. left and down 5-0....
..
I stopped being a defense man today and created a center for the first time ever... that includes thousands of games online in 09 and 10.. the reason? Defenseman cannot score from their stated positions. Slappers simply do not go in with the tuner update.... With the passing issues, it is close to impossible to get an assist from a defense postion... I prided myself in sticking to D for the last 2 years... Today... that ended..

Before the tuning update... you could out play most cheese teams for a solid 4-2 win... Only the highly skilled teams would beat us... Sat and Sun was an excercise of pain that I have not experienced playing NHL the past 2 years...

Who knows....

The Guru

Yea, you summed it up pretty well. I played online a little with my player the first few days the game was out and it was a blast. I had the weekend off this weekend and planned on playing some more. I played a little yesterday and it was just awful. They did something to the goalies that made it pretty much impossible to score if you arent cheesing. I dont care what they say, something messed up the online pretty bad in the latest tuner set.

[kickingguru]

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Ohhh and one more ...lets say annoyance... sticks are breaking much more frequently this weekend... when the game came out on Tues... it was here and there... Now a guy can break 3 sticks or more in a game... I broke one guys stick with a very weak pass that would not have left a bruise if it hit flesh....

[Redshirt_EA]

Re: New Tuner set is BAD

Now before you guys say "get better" etc etc, I will tell you that my record in EASHL club and otp is 41-14, 15 goals, 38 assists, +50 as a 2 way defenseman. (So please don't come on here and say "you just suck")

Shooting:

I am very frustrated that I am being punished as a defenseman. When I get the puck at the point, I usually have 1-2 guys pursuing me.. Now if I can get free of those guys I can get to the slot and take a slap shot.. HOWEVER, according to redshirtEA (developer), they made the slapshot ineffective in the slot.

I don't know about you, but if the other team allows me to creep in and take a slapper in close, then that is THEIR fault. It is not a glitch if I score a slapper in the slot. So why did they lower it?

Also they lowered wristers in the slot as well. I don't get it..

robo-goalies

The robo-goalies are back as well. When the game first came out, a 66 (standard AI Goalie) played like a 66. They would have realistic reactions.. Now its more robotic.. It is almost like the goalie can be all the way on the other side of the crease and then warped to the other side...

Checking

This, for the most part seems fine. My guy has 80 balance, 83 speed, 83 endurance, 83 acceleration, 80 agility and I am able to lay some massive hits.. YOU CANNOT just throw everything into checking. Remember it is a real time physics engine so speed, balance, stamina play a roll.. SO I LIKE the checking for the most part..

HOWEVER, 1 little thing is that i see boarding calls when a guy hits someone going 2 miles per hour. But when someone comes charging at full speed, it is not a boarding call... Seems like there are too many phantom calls.

Phantom calls:

Seriously the tripping animation where the guy barely moves it bs. I dont care what the rules say. All I know is that when I watch the NHL on tv, they dont call that.

Other than that it seems fine (maybe too much elbowing but i upped my disipline to 80)

Poke check:

Simply too ineffective. I have 85 stick check and yes I am good at poking the puck away but what is bs is that my guy barely puts his stick out. I find my self stick lifting more which is fine but I would also like to have the physics back to where the poke check is a more viable option.

Protect puck and dekes

I am amazed at how people can be surrounded by 4 guys, yet they do protect puck and it automatically goes through guys.. Even my teammates do it and I just sit back and roll my eyes lol.. Also I like the dekes but again, it shouldnt mean that it should go THROUGH people.. A good deke doesnt make you warped through someone..


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Nothing in this list was changed by the tuning. The closest thing is slap shots, from further than the top of the face-off circles they are unchanged.

[Redshirt_EA]

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Threads like this pain me. We put a lot of effort into figuring out what changes to make and making them and no matter what we do some people blame anything the don't like on the tuning and demand that we revert the changes. The things people are seeing here are NOT the tuning. Perhaps your online opponents have perfected their play a bit, I don't know, but unless the problems relate to the specific things listed in the notes it has nothing to do with the tuning.

[dorismary]

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Threads like this pain me. We put a lot of effort into figuring out what changes to make and making them and no matter what we do some people blame anything the don't like on the tuning and demand that we revert the changes. The things people are seeing here are NOT the tuning. Perhaps your online opponents have perfected their play a bit, I don't know, but unless the problems relate to the specific things listed in the notes it has nothing to do with the tuning.

Off topic but Jason can you guys please Address the coding issue in the Rosters so MATT can still create and share his ULTIMATE Rosters as They are a huge part of EA NHL 11 ? I do his Goalie Gear , player #s and Captains .
Thanks for any response , Anthony

[stew514]

Re: New Tuner set is BAD

Threads like this pain me. We put a lot of effort into figuring out what changes to make and making them and no matter what we do some people blame anything the don't like on the tuning and demand that we revert the changes. The things people are seeing here are NOT the tuning. Perhaps your online opponents have perfected their play a bit, I don't know, but unless the problems relate to the specific things listed in the notes it has nothing to do with the tuning.

It doesn't make any sense though, I know it's easy for us to just blame the tuners and some of these problems (like point shots, screens, and deflections) weren't touched but are still useless to attempt in online play. Wrist shots are the main thing that feel different, and while you say they remain mostly untouched, put the tuner back to 1.00 and play offline a bit. All star and Normal like online settings.

The reason everyone gets frustrated is because year after year cycling and trying to set up plays is not nearly as successful as using the left stick to just stop, start, and wiggle your way to the net. Point shots are useless.

I hear what you're saying but whether these things were touched by the tuner set or not, they need to be addressed IMO.