NBA Elite 11 Video: OS Exclusive All-New Hands-On Control: OJ Mayo

[Boilerbuzz]

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They're digging the sales gap bigger with each new vid they release. Look at the hops in the vid, its so off. Self guillotine EA, self guillotine.

I understand what you're saying, but EA can't win for losing. If they don't show clips, people complain that they are not marketing the game or that they are giving up. If they show vids, then people say they are shooting themselves in the foot.

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I'm stumped. I wouldn't know what they could do. They COULD show extended clips to compete, but those get picked apart. Deserved or not. Right or wrong. These guys can't win.

I will admit that I was HOPING for some extended gameplay footage. I also admit that this is a move that you can do in both games from last year. I have no comment about the verticals or if it was a travel. But it's at least further demonstration of the system and shows that the game can look much better if you know what you're doing. I liked the take charge animation and how you can turn while in that animation though. After watching, it left me wondering how much control I REALLY have? Will I be able to create some REALLY dope moments with the system? More than I ever have in an EA basketball game? If so, that has me kinda excited. We will see.

[Basketball GURU]

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So this is wat they mean when they said they were including NBA Jam with Elite...Jamal Crawford almost hit his head on the ceiling!!

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I've never seen a MOD so against a game lol

Granted im excited because I like to talk hoops, I am not against the game.

How can the game be improved if everyone is scared to tell them what they see happening?

Goodness man has it even been addressed with the overly excessively high blocking verts? This is what you want to see in a sim?

[Tha_Kid]

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the vertical thing altogether is just strange with guys jumping out of the building like that.

And it isn't new. left4dead (i think) made a good thread about it, You & Czar tried to explain it to rEAnimator. I threw up a screencap from the Heat/Magic game. No one likes it. I just don't see why de-rail the thread. rEAnimator said that verticals will need to be reduced across the board for the sim gamer, and that's probably as close to an admission as we'll get. After playing the demo, everyone will be on the same playing field in terms of having felt the responsiveness and having a leg to stand on when you tell the devs that no one wants unrealistic jumping sans gathering. Until then, why go on about it? If you show someone something that looks ridiculous and they say it doesn't, what can you do?

On another topic, what happened to leaving a thread alone if there was nothing positive or constructive to say? Navigating Elite threads has been a chore, and yet the only ban is a guy who could have quoted his post from one of Czar's Ten Teams Ten Days video threads?

[stepsix]

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Tha_Kid's got it right - you could 'see' the gathers in 10, but you can actually do them in '11, in any direction. In 10, there was a level of abstraction between the mechanic and the action (ie left stick right and X would give you a gather layup sequence, picking a mostly appropriate gather and layup), but in 11, you gather in the direction you choose, and shoot (or don't) in the direction you want.

Same goes for all the dribble moves, you can perform them in any direction, which sounds obvious, but is something we haven't done before.

Another aspect is the two man stuff - to beat somebody off the dribble, you'd play out a two man dribble sequence, which I found didn't necessarily relate to the move you performed. this year if you get beat it's because you got a step on your defender.

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I understand what you're saying, but EA can't win for losing. If they don't show clips, people complain that they are not marketing the game or that they are giving up. If they show vids, then people say they are shooting themselves in the foot.

...

I'm stumped. I wouldn't know what they could do. They COULD show extended clips to compete, but those get picked apart. Deserved or not. Right or wrong. These guys can't win.

I will admit that I was HOPING for some extended gameplay footage. I also admit that this is a move that you can do in both games from last year. I have no comment about the verticals or if it was a travel. But it's at least further demonstration of the system and shows that the game can look much better if you know what you're doing. I liked the take charge animation and how you can turn while in that animation though. After watching, it left me wondering how much control I REALLY have? Will I be able to create some REALLY dope moments with the system? More than I ever have in an EA basketball game? If so, that has me kinda excited. We will see.

Honestly man... Its almost death to not show anything.

Why? Because of how Live 2007 was handled. With the whole control thing, I said you cant tell people's eyes you gotta feel it.

At this point, having nothing but controls as the primary target but not giving a demo is not helping either. Im not saying they dont have a plan or anything like that but inconsistencies are going to be pointed out in a sports game no matter the sport.

Its less than a month away, guys were told they'd get specific vids about a week or so ago and got nothing til this... its sorta how the blog thing happened.

Either way shutting down the conversations with a great game is what should happen... but then again some people swear OS isnt significant enough to matter whats said anyway

[coolcras7]

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EA is definitely suffering from the average girl syndrome you know it when you spend to much time with the same people you starting thinking she is not that bad she is kinda pretty it usually last until you go out side and see a true hottie, EA has spent to much time with their product that they can't see obvious flaws and convinced themselves that it is not that bad.

[convince]

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So ban anyone that does not agree with the overall conseus of a thread? That's crazy. Maybe you should make a thread title, "Nothing but positives about_____video". Then maybe you will have a point.

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And it isn't new. left4dead (i think) made a good thread about it, You & Czar tried to explain it to rEAnimator. I threw up a screencap from the Heat/Magic game. No one likes it. I just don't see why de-rail the thread. rEAnimator said that verticals will need to be reduced across the board for the sim gamer, and that's probably as close to an admission as we'll get. After playing the demo, everyone will be on the same playing field in terms of having felt the responsiveness and having a leg to stand on when you tell the devs that no one wants unrealistic jumping sans gathering. Until then, why go on about it? If you show someone something that looks ridiculous and they say it doesn't, what can you do?

On another topic, what happened to leaving a thread alone if there was nothing positive or constructive to say? Navigating Elite threads has been a chore, and yet the only ban is a guy who could have quoted his post from one of Czar's Ten Teams Ten Days video threads?

First of all dude you dont know who has been banned from this site so please dont go off into that because you have no idea what you're talking about

That said, the reason its being brought up because ITS HAPPENING in THIS video.. so sorry if you feel its been derailed but its very much on topic

The offense is the same as we've seen in the other videos..
and the defense also. If there's going to be adjustments or a patch then they need to know whats up. I see a ratings problem here, and maybe you dont because you didnt bother touching them.. but thats my input and not yours.

Verticals werent the only issue, it was also the magic recovery defense.

[hoop xyience]

So this is wat they mean when they said they were including NBA Jam with Elite...Jamal Crawford almost hit his head on the ceiling!!

lol i was thinking the same thing

[BiggD]

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Regular one handed layups were fine

Im not talking that layup solutions stuff and the wack contact which shouldve been touched up in the patch instead of made worse

That game needed to be massively edited to be decent and im seeing things now that will be the same...

Its amazing that that recovery defense is not even a worry. If thats the AI its no different than last year, maybe doesnt happen as much I dont know, but that was one of the ratings problems... the vertical thing altogether is just strange with guys jumping out of the building like that.

i'll try edit some stuff once game is in my hands... i worked on the verticals in my PS3 rosters for live10 which made it play pretty well (guys like Shaq hardly got off the ground)

the defense recovery was broke in Live10 though..

[Tha_Kid]

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Seriously man give it up dude... this has nothing to do with 2k whatsoever. I played Live 10 the majority of the time last year because of the control scheme and even edited the entire game after the alien update and the broken patch and the 2nd patch that did almost nothing at all

For the record 2k10's playsets were smashed beyond belief because Live 10 did them so well it wasnt even a contest.

Give up what? That point I was making was completely aside from the video & this game, it was about showing improvements in anything. Not sure why you're listing that stuff about Live 10, I've read it all before and was here while you were doing it.

Regardless, dont sit here and tell me something as marginal as this is an improvement worth noting when it was doable with edits just fine, and 2ndly that defense was a huge part of the video which is being skipped over.. that was terrible.

How the heck did he recover so fast then get back in front of the ballhandler and do a vince carter olympic like leap like that? Thats one of the things that was supposed to be fixed

You could not choose whether to hop step layup, spin layup, or euro step layup in Live 10. You can choose the gather, then choose the finish in Elite. This was not me blowing that up, or talking about the effectiveness of it in Live 10. This was answering a question about the difference in execution.

I didn't make a post about the video. I was specifically answering 24th's question. I see all the faults being talked about, and? Who is glossing over them?

[dirtypuppet]

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left4dead (i think) made a good thread about it, You & Czar tried to explain it to rEAnimator. I threw up a screencap from the Heat/Magic game.

it was me and I've also carefuly documented some stuff earlier in this thread about verticals and player models that I hope the devs take note if.

[BiggD]

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First of all dude you dont know who has been banned from this site so please dont go off into that because you have no idea what you're talking about

That said, the reason its being brought up because ITS HAPPENING in THIS video.. so sorry if you feel its been derailed but its very much on topic

The offense is the same as we've seen in the other videos..
and the defense also. If there's going to be adjustments or a patch then they need to know whats up. I see a ratings problem here, and maybe you dont because you didnt bother touching them.. but thats my input and not yours.

Verticals werent the only issue, it was also the magic recovery defense.

spot on, the same offense and defense in each vid... i don't wanna see 30 teams that ALL play the same

[Tha_Kid]

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First of all dude you dont know who has been banned from this site so please dont go off into that because you have no idea what you're talking about

That said, the reason its being brought up because ITS HAPPENING in THIS video.. so sorry if you feel its been derailed but its very much on topic

The offense is the same as we've seen in the other videos..
and the defense also. If there's going to be adjustments or a patch then they need to know whats up. I see a ratings problem here, and maybe you dont because you didnt bother touching them.. but thats my input and not yours.

Verticals werent the only issue, it was also the magic recovery defense.

OK Dre. I don't get why you're coming at me so hard when we're pretty much in agreement about the things you're touching on.

I look through the thread and see a red flag on a post and a banned under a username. Didn't insinuate any further, or assume to have some sort of insight.

FWIW i did the global edits that you/tomba/playermakers did, so I guess I did touch the ratings. Obviously you went in depth and found things that corrected issues. I never questioned that, rather i appreciated it.