Where is the true power running?

[FedExPope]

In this game the only times I have ever seen anything resemble a power runner are a few different animations. Such as the one where the RB appears to be stopped by a huge group of tacklers, but he breaks free...yet I have done that with Jeff Demps. Some runners are able to occasionally drag guys behind them. But other than that, the only way to run is by avoiding tacklers. What we have now is a far cry from the truck stick. A RB like Mark Ingram can go 1 on 1 with a DB and lose consistently. In reality he could throw him aside with his forearm. The only time a RB seems to be able to break a tackle on a guy in front of him is if he dips his shoulder really low...but the CPU is the only one that gets that choice. Stiff arms are useless, hitting up on the right stick doesn't do anything. My fullbacks look like a bunch of WRs out there against the linebackers.

How does one run with a power back?

[jello1717]

Re: Where is the true power running?

In this game the only times I have ever seen anything resemble a power runner are a few different animations. Such as the one where the RB appears to be stopped by a huge group of tacklers, but he breaks free...yet I have done that with Jeff Demps. Some runners are able to occasionally drag guys behind them. But other than that, the only way to run is by avoiding tacklers. What we have now is a far cry from the truck stick. A RB like Mark Ingram can go 1 on 1 with a DB and lose consistently. In reality he could throw him aside with his forearm. The only time a RB seems to be able to break a tackle on a guy in front of him is if he dips his shoulder really low...but the CPU is the only one that gets that choice. Stiff arms are useless, hitting up on the right stick doesn't do anything. My fullbacks look like a bunch of WRs out there against the linebackers.

How does one run with a power back?

Try playing a game as Wisconsin. Clay is a freakin' beast and runs just like a power back should.

Also, the CPU isn't the only one that can dip their shoulder. You can do the same thing with the "truck" stick.

[jazzymac42]

Re: Where is the true power running?

I have had some success with power backs in '10 . Basically for the power running you are looking for I recruited backs like around 220 pounds with good trucking (for the rt stick) and good btk... To be fair I haven't really been able to recruit this type of player in '11, so I don't know if this still holds true.

These backs are few and far between so good luck finding them.

[Johnny "Too Tall"]

Re: Where is the true power running?

In this game the only times I have ever seen anything resemble a power runner are a few different animations. Such as the one where the RB appears to be stopped by a huge group of tacklers, but he breaks free...yet I have done that with Jeff Demps. Some runners are able to occasionally drag guys behind them. But other than that, the only way to run is by avoiding tacklers. What we have now is a far cry from the truck stick. A RB like Mark Ingram can go 1 on 1 with a DB and lose consistently. In reality he could throw him aside with his forearm. The only time a RB seems to be able to break a tackle on a guy in front of him is if he dips his shoulder really low...but the CPU is the only one that gets that choice. Stiff arms are useless, hitting up on the right stick doesn't do anything. My fullbacks look like a bunch of WRs out there against the linebackers.

How does one run with a power back?

Stiff arms are useless? I don't think so. I go for the stiff arm all the time and it works as often as it should. Just last night I had a 50+ yard run for a touchdown online after I stiff armed the crap out of a CB in the open field.

[White Out]

Re: Where is the true power running?

with respect to the OP; this game makes me want to recruit power backs cuz of how fun it is to blast teams with them

[herruberraschen]

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What is even worse than little power moves is watching someone like Demps do a power move. How hard is it to have a small finesse back not stiff arm defensive tackles to the ground?

[TXHusker25]

Re: Where is the true power running?

What is even worse than little power moves is watching someone like Demps do a power move. How hard is it to have a small finesse back not stiff arm defensive tackles to the ground?

This is the real problem. The power rushing game is great if you have a Clay-type back, running with him is just plain fun. However, the problem comes in when these tiny little scat-backs are running through the tackles of defensive linemen or just running safeties over.

[Clinton56]

Re: Where is the true power running?

but one on one can a RB even flatten a DB like in previous years using the truck stick?has anyone seen this?I havent and would love to have it back in some fashion.

[Clinton56]

Re: Where is the true power running?

has anyone seen it?

[mmorg]

Re: Where is the true power running?

You need to lower your shoulder a good two or three steps before you make contact. Then you will be running over those little guys no problem. Just make sure your guy has an actual high truck rating and he should be flattening the secondary with no problem.

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Where is the true power running?

This is the real problem. The power rushing game is great if you have a Clay-type back, running with him is just plain fun. However, the problem comes in when these tiny little scat-backs are running through the tackles of defensive linemen or just running safeties over.

This.

Weight still means so little in this game. Animations matter more than physics.

[KG]

Re: Where is the true power running?

This.

Weight still means so little in this game. Animations matter more than physics.

Agreed. It's why you see scat-backs toss aside DTs.

[adembroski]

Re: Where is the true power running?

I think the trouble is, in part, lack of animations. It's playing power animations when it should be playing elusiveness animations.

Remember when they turned the Truck Stick into the Highlight Stick. The idea was to give agile backs a tool commensurate with power backs by making the stick work for both, but agile backs would make moves such as slipping under arm tackles, while power backs would drop the shoulder. I thought it was a great idea, but the agile animations never play. It seems the power animations play for both, so you are seeing 170 lb backs running over linebackers when it's supposed to be showing him slipping the tackle the way a Reggie Bush would.

In other words, what's happening is correct, but the visual representation is wrong.

[Mtneer08]

Re: Where is the true power running?

Agreed. It's why you see scat-backs toss aside DTs.

Maybe my RBA or tackling sliders are set just right but i rarely ever see this happen to DT's and LB's with little scat backs. It happens with bigger backs that have a high break tackling every once in a while.

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Where is the true power running?

I think the trouble is, in part, lack of animations. It's playing power animations when it should be playing elusiveness animations.

The problem isn't a lack of animations but the reliance on animations to define player interaction. Canned animations seem to completely ignore the physics engine.

If you're going to use an animation based engine then there will always be a lack of animations. By nature, you can't script every possible outcome. They just need to do a better job of defining the outcome logic when it comes to tackling. There are tackle animations where a defender flat out stuffs or stretches out a ballcarrier and that's the animation that needs to be played when some scrawny 160 lb guy runs up against a 300+ lb lineman.

Watching a 160 lb speed back with no strength truck over or stiff arm a 340 lb defensive tackle is akin to playing a game like Fight Night and having a featherweight knock George Foreman down to the mat with a body shot. There isn't a single boxing gamer who would enjoy a game where that is possible.

I don't see it happen that often in this game and some of it is slider related, but it should never happen just based on the laws of physics. Sliders are supposed to tweak player abilities, not change the laws of the universe.