Winning National Championship with service academies

[speedkills]

Has anyone ever done this? I know in real life it'll never happen without a playoff but I've been thinking about taking over Air Force and turning them into an Air Raid or Run & Shoot team to live up to their name and becoming a national powerhouse. I'm probably looking at a very long haul but I'm tempted. After my Boise State infatuation is over with that is.

I've never played a dynasty as a service academy is their recruiting any different?

[fahrenheit]

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I don't believe they have a redshirt, and they can't leave for the pro's early. Those are the only differences I'm aware of.

[Gloves 82]

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Yeah nobody gets redshirted although in my Army dynasty I still redshirt guys. I'm in year 2, currently 3-2. We'll see how the rest of the season goes.

[Pielet]

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FWIW:

It isn't nowhere close to reality as the service academies do not give out scholarships as opposed to NCAA 11. This makes what Paul Johnson did at Navy (turn around their program) quite impressive given the policies he had to deal with. Fisher Deberry is the gold standard for 1985 and achieving a #2 national ranking at USAFA before losing to BYU.

A great book, "Civil War" by John Feinstein talks about the Army/Navy rivalry and how the academies deal with playing football in the modern era.

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Coll.../dp/0316278246

A good article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recru...her&id=3450865

[tate09]

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FWIW:

It isn't nowhere close to reality as the service academies do not give out scholarships as opposed to NCAA 11. This makes what Paul Johnson did at Navy (turn around their program) quite impressive given the policies he had to deal with. Fisher Deberry is the gold standard for 1985 and achieving a #2 national ranking at USAFA before losing to BYU.

A great book, "Civil War" by John Feinstein talks about the Army/Navy rivalry and how the academies deal with playing football in the modern era.

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Coll.../dp/0316278246

A good article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recru...her&id=3450865

it's actually the total opposite regarding scholarships. every student, athlete or not, at the academies is on a full, government funded scholarship (you pay it back with the next 4-7 years of your life). this plays a major role in allowing the academies to compete at the FBS level because they essentially have unlimited scholarships.

the academies do not redshirt, but they send a pretty good portion of their players to their own prep schools which serves the same purpose as a redshirt in many cases.

[Tovarich]

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Has anyone ever done this? I know in real life it'll never happen without a playoff but I've been thinking about taking over Air Force and turning them into an Air Raid or Run & Shoot team to live up to their name and becoming a national powerhouse. I'm probably looking at a very long haul but I'm tempted. After my Boise State infatuation is over with that is.

I've never played a dynasty as a service academy is their recruiting any different?

The game doesn't treat recruiting for them any differently than anyone else. You can RS anyone you want on the game. In real life, it's completely different but on the game, it's just another team. It's hard. I spent about 8 years building up Army on NCAA 09. You wouldn't believe all the dumb things that would happen to keep me out of the title game. I got to 2 BCS bowls but it took about 6 years to get them there. You MUST be one of two or fewer undefeateds, which is a big problem because there are multiple most every year once you get a few years in. It's less of a problem at the start. It would take me longer than the 8 years I tried now because recruiting is a lot harder for small schools than it used to be. That's quite a challenge. Without moving Army or Navy into a bigger conference, it will penalize you for being independent

[Pielet]

My point was there are no "athletic" scholarships at the service academies. To get the "scholarship" at an academy you have to have a congressional sponsor and a ton of other steps in the process.

I was simply stating that in terms of athletics there are not special exemptions like at other D-1 schools. Athletes with lower academics will typically sit out a year while attending a prep school before their plebe (first) year at an academy.

[Pielet]

Tate,

I was simply stating that their are no "athletic" scholarships at academies. To get into the academy one must have a congressional sponsor and other numerous items. Athletes typically who have lower academic qualifications will be allowed to enroll in prep schools for a year before their plebe (first) year at an academy. The only exception to a congressional sponsorship is the USCGA (Coast Guard academy) in Connecticut.

It is also required that EVERY student at an academy be involved in some intramural athletic activity.

[Pielet]

Gotta love cell phone connections. Sorry for the double post.

[Lupe_Tabasco]

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My point was there are no "athletic" scholarships at the service academies. To get the "scholarship" at an academy you have to have a congressional sponsor and a ton of other steps in the process.

I was simply stating that in terms of athletics there are not special exemptions like at other D-1 schools. Athletes with lower academics will typically sit out a year while attending a prep school before their plebe (first) year at an academy.

You can get an athletic scholarship to an Academy school. There are always exceptions to the rule. Also it is possible to leave early for the pros if you are that good.

[deadlyCane]

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The service academies have always intrigued me from the stand point of how they are able to even suit up for division 1. I read the article posted by tate09 but football wise the academies still seem to be at a disadvantage compared to other FBS schools.

Ok, so the no redshirting thing is just something the academies decided not to do right? Am I right in thinking that they have this policy because the military is only interested in paying for 4 years of education and not five? Basically you're there to learn to be a service man and football really is just secondary. Can someone confirm whether I got that right?

[Tovarich]

Re: Winning National Championship with service academies

The service academies have always intrigued me from the stand point of how they are able to even suit up for division 1. I read the article posted by tate09 but football wise the academies still seem to be at a disadvantage compared to other FBS schools.

Ok, so the no redshirting thing is just something the academies decided not to do right? Am I right in thinking that they have this policy because the military is only interested in paying for 4 years of education and not five? Basically you're there to learn to be a service man and football really is just secondary. Can someone confirm whether I got that right?

It's an academy rule that you must graduate in 4 years, no if's and's or but's. The disadvantage of not having redshirts is made up for by being able to develop younger players by putting them on their JV team, which plays a junior college schedule. I saw the AFA JV team play a juco in Phoenix some years back, never heard anything about Army or Navy's

[boubucarow]

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I have won multiple national titles with Navy in past versions. I actually have played dynasties with my nephew with him as Army and me Navy. One year we both joined the ACC and battled for ACC titles on the way to the BCS title game. I started one this year pre-patches with recruiting restrictions but I have stopped that one and will probably wait until the season ends and then alter the ratings and rosters based on the season.

[Son of Sam99]

Re: Winning National Championship with service academies

FWIW:

It isn't nowhere close to reality as the service academies do not give out scholarships as opposed to NCAA 11. This makes what Paul Johnson did at Navy (turn around their program) quite impressive given the policies he had to deal with. Fisher Deberry is the gold standard for 1985 and achieving a #2 national ranking at USAFA before losing to BYU.

A great book, "Civil War" by John Feinstein talks about the Army/Navy rivalry and how the academies deal with playing football in the modern era.

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Coll.../dp/0316278246

A good article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recru...her&id=3450865

+100 on that book "Civil War" very very good book.

[bamagrad4]

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working on one right now with Army and right now the season is not going well as i'm 0-4 right now. hoping to get the C-in C trophy though.