NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[JWiLL02]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

I'm really trying to understand why some are saying one of the positives of this game is that "When I get a steal or block, I did it myself!"

Um, so what basketball games were you playing before where you didn't initiate your own blocks and steals? Sure, your AI team mates may have picked some up themselves, but I see no way in which Elite 11 has superior on ball defense to any other game.

I've found the number of steals to be absurd myself. Why the hell is Rondo constantly being ripped off the dribble for no reason? Are you telling me Chris Paul is going to have a hard time just keeping his dribble? That's sure what it looks like.

Blocking in itself is just broken. I can't get behind the instant, high flying perimeter defense being played by EVERYONE in the league. Ray Allen shouldn't be able to instantly rise up and slap away Kobe's shot, especially when Kobe was already in a shooting motion BEFORE he got into position. Please.

I can't tell if you guys are just being nice or if you don't know what you're talking about?

[GBPackers27]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

LOL!

How the heck did you get that guy to stay at halfcourt and play dead.....

Love the commentary had me rolling.....i'm going to show it to some people at work.

They are going to trip out at that broadcasting you did.....

The broadcasting the guy did is downright hilarious lol, I was literally crying I laughed so hard. But yeah I didnt make the video or do the commentary

[rEAnimator]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

I'm at the point where I am not making too many user errors with my players,..except for the passing!!

I'm not sure if I understand how this R1+L stick is supposed to function..I think I am passing to one guy but the ball goes somewhere else.

I have a hunch that where your pass goes has something to do with the facing who you want to throw the pass to?

If I can figure that out, my enjoyment level will go up another notch

Aim the pass with the left stick, execute the pass with RT.

The longer you hold down RT, the farther the pass will go.

As you hold down RT, there will be an indicator displayed under the player the pass is intended to go to based on your inputs.

This will change as you change your aim, or as you power up longer.

This should give you a better idea of what influence you inputs have on the pass targetting, and should help remove the mystery of where the pass is going to go.

[wmassie]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Random thoughts:

* The controls are excellent. Everything made sense from the first time I ran through the tutorial. Everything feels responsive and natural to me. I was expecting the worse based on comments, but I picked up the basics in no time.

* They definitely need a sprint button, but I'm not thinking the conventional nba gaming turbo button. I'm thinking kinda like a first step burst, not a hold down and sprint button.

My vision is you would be able to sprint for a time after you first press the sprint button and get your burst, but you wouldn't have to hold it down. Different players would have different ratings also. i.e. a big like Bynum would have basically no first step burst and a very slow, short lasting sprint while John Wall would have a quick first step and be able to sprint for a longer period of time and obviously be faster.

* I can somewhat feel the "real time physics" while playing the game. Watching the game it's hard to get a feel for it. I understand what people were saying weeks ago. At this point I still consider the "RTP" underwhelming and over marketed.

* I wouldn't be surprised if Elite's 5v5 gameplay is superior to 2k's, not just wrt connectivity, but specifically with quality of gameplay. Elite has the potential to be significantly better in that area depending on their sliders, online setup, etc... and how much 2k improves.

* Visually the series needs an overhaul. I think most people realize this. I can live with the subpar graphics / player models, but it's 2010-2011. It's unacceptable for them to be so far behind animation-wise and signature style-wise. This isn't an XBLA game, step it up. Being weak in this area kills replay value for me. I can play 2k for a year and see animations I've either never seen before or have rarely seen.

Even the most basic of animations have no fluidity and look robotic/awkward. Enough is enough, they need to take care of these things to be taken serious as a NBA franchise. It's really baffling to me that animations and basic transiitions are still this bad. This is way more concerning to me than the graphics.

* The game has potential. They are providing a viable alternative. I don't agree with people who wanted an upgraded Live 10. What would the purpose of that be? 2k11 is already an upgraded Live 10 way beyond what EA could have done. They needed to provide something that 2k doesn't gameplay-wise.

* It's weird how the cpu just stands in front of you defending you like a statue. I like that they don't bite on anything and everything, but visually it looks like a video game and not like basketball.

* I'm big into user vs. user gameplay so I'm not that concerned about poor AI in regards to playing against the cpu. I will wait to see vids of user vs. user online and to see if they have a decent online setup for this game. I'm definitely open to giving it a try.



I felt Live 10 was so strong in this area. Actually it might have been the best I've seen in a basketball game. I don't agree with those who wanted a upgraded Live 10, but I will agree it would have been nice of they had incorporated this new structure and maintained more of the strong points from Live 10.

Those are just my early thoughts based on a couple hours. I could change my mind as time goes on.

People still don't get it. Whether you play cpu vs. cpu, user vs. cpu, or user vs. user, without a strong, realistic AI all game modes will suffer. It is just like the bass in music and black levels for video - without those foundations realism suffers. Accurate player tendencies and a robust AI is where they should be spending their time. Once they nail those, everything else will be gravy. I implore the developers to listen - you need to make sure the foundation is solid before trying to be esoteric. The synergy/dynamic dna stuff is great in theory but look how it destroyed fastbreaks in Live 10. Fix the foundation.

[bigjames9715]

GARBAGE!!!! I hate 2 say it but EA has fallen off major!!! they messed up TIGER, MADDEN, and now NBA!!! they not getting anymore of my money!!! definitely getting NBA 2k 11!!! it's tight!!!

BIg James

[rEAnimator]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Can any of the Devs comment on this ??

Is this only a "demo" thing for the PS3 ??

Will it be cleaned up for the retail game ???

Sidenote: Why do the players always run after the ball out of bounds ?? I believe that was a problem in live 09 ??? Why has it come back again this season ??

The performance issues on ps3 were being addressed right up to the end, so they should be fixed, yes.

I haven' played the final approved game yet, but it was one of the last things being worked on when I left.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Im on a 62' HD HITATCHI and it just doesnt look good to me graphic wise...If it were presented to me on YouTube as a last gen mod, I wouldnt doubt it for a second...and thats not to be disrespectful or anything...

[poseidon44]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

The performance issues on ps3 were being addressed right up to the end, so they should be fixed, yes.

I haven' played the final approved game yet, but it was one of the last things being worked on when I left.

First of all, I'd like to thank you for your participation in this forum. I didn't like the demo at first mainly because I was 'intimidated' by the new control scheme. Once you get the controls down, Elite 11 is actually a fun game. Yes it has it's "issues".....but I believe with PATCHING and a few slider edits, this game can be very playable.

rEAnimator....what exactly is being addressed for the PS3 version. Can you give detailed information?

Is it possible to enhance any graphical issues because there is a noticable difference between how the game looks on 360 and how it looks on the PS3.

Also will the Lakers jersey (purple outline not visible on letters + numbers) be fixed in the final/retail version?

Thanks for your time. Looking forward to purchasing Elite 11.

[sleepytercel]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

I'm really trying to understand why some are saying one of the positives of this game is that "When I get a steal or block, I did it myself!"

Um, so what basketball games were you playing before where you didn't initiate your own blocks and steals?

Well, basketball games typically rely on ratings which create percentages of whether a steal or block will be successful. Like in 2K, if you swipe for the ball, it's like rolling the dice with certain odds. A higher steal rating will mean that your odds are more obtainable.

In Elite, it's nice that it feels like you control these things, but then you don't get the feeling of the individual players. Also, if you're someone who cares about stats, I don't see how the gameplay in Elite can obtain reasonable stats in a game that is longer than 5 minute quarters. Heck, I had 6 blocks in one 5 minute demo on the Allstar level.

Basically, something has got to give. You give such control, but take away the individual players identity, or make it like 2K where it is more ratings and percentage based, but give up some control on the user.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Well, basketball games typically rely on ratings which create percentages opf whether a steal or block will be successful. Like in 2K, if you swipe for the ball, it's like rolling the dice with certain odds. A higher steal rating will mean that your odds are more obtainable.

In Elite, it's nice that it feels like you control these things, but then you don't get the feeling of the individual players. Also, if you're someone who cares about stats, I don't see how the gameplay in Elite can obtain reasonable stats in a game that is longer than 5 minute quarters. Heck, I had 6 blocks in one 5 minute demo on the Allstar level.

Basically, something has got to give. You give such control, but take away the individual players identity, or make it like 2K where it is more ratings and percentage based, but give up some control on the user.

They can successfully do this via animations and success rate. It does not seem like the success rate differs enough from player to player, and their new system may need them to look at their ratings a bit more closely now.

But you are right overall. The way things are now, player differentiation isn't noticeable enough for people to accept in a sports game for 2010.

[rEAnimator]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

First of all, I'd like to thank you for your participation in this forum. I didn't like the demo at first mainly because I was 'intimidated' by the new control scheme. Once you get the controls down, Elite 11 is actually a fun game. Yes it has it's "issues".....but I believe with PATCHING and a few slider edits, this game can be very playable.

rEAnimator....what exactly is being addressed for the PS3 version. Can you give detailed information?

Is it possible to enhance any graphical issues because there is a noticable difference between how the game looks on 360 and how it looks on the PS3.

Also will the Lakers jersey (purple outline not visible on letters + numbers) be fixed in the final/retail version?

Thanks for your time. Looking forward to purchasing Elite 11.

Just framerate issues. No point in getting any more detailed than that.

There were some ps3 specific framerate issues that should be ironed out for retail.

[JerseySuave4]

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Okay, here's my take. It took me only about 3 games to get the controls down. They really are not hard, and I actually like some of the controls. I do like that the game feels very much videogame skill based. If I get a steal or a block, it's because I did it, and not based just on ratings. However, this brings to the worst part of the game. It doesn't feel, react, or look anything like basketball.

This is what happens when you get "full control" of everything on court. When player ratings are set aside and user control is completely given, then you have a game where everyone plays the same, and you have stats that are terribly inflated. My goodness, I think I had 7 blocks in that 5 minute quarter alone playing on AllStar. Steals shoot out of hands. Mid air collisions look like mid air convulsions. In fact, people refer to 2K as canned animations...so I will refer to Elite as "mid air convulsions". I like it.

i dont understand this whole "if i get a steal its because I did it." When i get a steal or block in any basketball game its because i initiated the action. You talk about how player ratings are set aside but how is that a good thing? Ratings are what helps seperate the differences between players. Not everyone is great at getting steals. Ratings seperate a great stealer from an average stealer. If anyone can get a steal simply based on the controls, then what is there to seperate the great players from the average players?

[wmassie]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

i get the impression that most of the people working on Elite are casual basketball fans. there seems to be a lack of understanding of the finer points of the sport and the movement of the human body. study real basketball and do tons of mo-cap to get real movement that is appropriate.

My sentiments exactly. With a proper understanding they can build better AI.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

i dont understand this whole "if i get a steal its because I did it." When i get a steal or block in any basketball game its because i initiated the action. You talk about how player ratings are set aside but how is that a good thing? Ratings are what helps seperate the differences between players. Not everyone is great at getting steals. Ratings seperate a great stealer from an average stealer. If anyone can get a steal simply based on the controls, then what is there to seperate the great players from the average players?

I'll try my best here:

In most sports, things like a steal is based on an animation and a dice roll. A mathematical equation dictating success rate for the steal. X player has a success rate of blank while ball handler has a handling/turnover rate of blank. Then, you tie that into any other moves being done. Based on the outcome, you play a success/fail/call a foul animation.

In Elite, the player hand is an actual object. If the hand touches the ball, another object being tracked, it pops loose and RTP take over. There is no animation based on the dice roll. If this same hand hits the other players body or hand, a foul should be called.

This was my understanding of it.

[tybud]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

ea, i almost feel bad for you but hey i have stay 100% true about how i feel about this game. it is straight out horrible, i dont no what you guys where thinking about, but all the changes that where made dont make sence at all. i loved live 10 because of the natural flow the game had, but this game feels so dry that its not even funny. this is crazy that you guys even thought that this game was basketball. this is 2010 not 98, man im just lost for words. this game is a failure.