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  • Todem
    Banned
    • Jul 2010
    • 313

    #16
    Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

    Originally posted by R9NALD9
    great thanks for the feedback!
    I made the right choice selling then! Who wants to bet that the tackle stats will be wrong in next years revamped Madden 12 franchise?

    When I watched the 49ers Saints game on Monday, seeing P Willis making those big tackles on Bush...man did it make me miss NFL 2k5, who had very similar tackle animations to how Willis's tackles looked. And considering how much love 2k is giving it's Nba series and listening to their community, and how awesome Nba 2k11 sounds, and plays (demo), who knows how good football game could have been around by now if the exclusive license didn't exist.

    Madden 11 RIP
    Roll on Nba 2k11

    Don't hold your breath on that. After reading the latest interview with Ian Cummings in Game Informer....we ain't getting **** as far as a great deep offline or online Chise. If that ends up being the case no more Madden for me till it is addressed. If it never s...this will be my last Madden game. And that's ok because I could play this for years. I am having a bunch of fun with it.

    Going to DL the patch. Looks like I will have to make some slider tweaks. I am curious about the Game planning play calling logic for the AI.
    Last edited by Todem; 09-23-2010, 07:18 AM.

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    • bcruise
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2004
      • 23274

      #17
      Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

      Yikes, sorry for blowing up the thread format there, guys - I didn't get all the table code copied over. Should be fixed now.

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      • bcruise
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2004
        • 23274

        #18
        Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

        Originally posted by EmmittSmithx22x
        Edit: It seems as though the kicking meter Online on All-Madden and the kicking Meter Offline for All-Madden might be different now? I am not sure, because I only tested it Online on All-Madden and the Meter was Extremely slow. They said that they fixed connectivity issues with the kick meter, maybe that was the way they would address it? make it so slow that even lag couldn't make it any slower? lol

        But,
        I played my friend on All-Madden Difficulty online. I figured that would be the best way to really put the patch to the test. Thats when I noticed the kick meter was going .0002 miles per hour.
        You're right...it's definitely slower now online. I just punted in an online ranked game and it felt like rookie speed.

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        • Millennium
          Franchise Streamer
          • Aug 2002
          • 9889

          #19
          Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

          Originally posted by bcruise
          Fun game to watch, went right down to the wire. Stats aren't that great (aside from them being MUCH lower), but remember this is with no slider changes. This is a very abbreviated box score - I just filled in the most important parts. Total plays were extremely low at 89 - 11 minutes accelerated wasn't enough. So the stats might have been a bit higher in a full length game, but I don't think the score would be that different:
          <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /><link href="http://pujols4mvp.webs.com/osdyn/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /></head><body><center><div id="osdyn"><div id="hdr-grey-sml" style="text-align:center;">NFL Scoreboard - Washington Redskins (0-0) at Oakland Raiders (0-0)</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" class="tblspacer" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="evenrow"><td valign="top" width="60%"><table align="center" cellpadding="2" class="tblspacer" cellspacing="1"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" width="58%"><span class="type5">September 23, 2010</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type5">1</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type5">2</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type5">3</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type5">4</span></td><td align="center" width="10%"><span class="type5">F</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Washington Redskins</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">10</span></td><td align="center" style="background:#CC0000;"><span class="type6">13</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Oakland Raiders</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">7</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type2">7</span></td><td align="center" style="background:#CC0000;"><span class="type6">17</span></td></tr></table><div id="hdr-grey-sml" style="text-align:left; text-indent:3px;">Top Performers</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Washington Redskins - Stats</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2"></span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2"></span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Oakland Raiders - Stats</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2"></span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2"></span></td></tr></table></td><td valign="top" width="40%"><div id="hdr-grey-sml" style="text-align:left; text-indent:3px;">Team Stats Comparison</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td width="60%"></td><td align="right" width="20%"><span class="type5">WAS</span></td><td align="right" width="20%"><span class="type5">OAK</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">First Downs</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">11</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">11</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">3rd Down Efficiency</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5-12</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">3-8</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">4th Down Efficiency</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Total Yards</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">356</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">319</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Passing Yards</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">211</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">131</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Rushing Yards</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">23</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">101</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Penalties-Penalty Yards</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1-5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1-15</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Turnovers</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Time of Possession</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">25:27</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">18:33</span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="2"><div id="hdr-grey-sml" style="text-align:left; text-indent:3px;">Scoring Summary</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" colspan="3"><span class="type5">First Quarter</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">WAS</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">OAK</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">OAK</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">5:06</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">Janikowsi FG</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">3</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" colspan="3"><span class="type5">Second Quarter</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">WAS</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">OAK</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">OAK</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">4:34</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">M. Bush 4 Yd Run</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">10</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" colspan="3"><span class="type5">Third Quarter</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">WAS</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">OAK</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">WAS</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">2:27</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">Gano FG</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">10</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" colspan="3"><span class="type5">Fourth Quarter</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">WAS</span></td><td align="center"><span class="type5">OAK</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">WAS</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">8:29</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">L. Johnson 4 Yd Run</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">10</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">10</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">WAS</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">1:52</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">Gano FG</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">13</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">10</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">OAK</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">:40</span></td><td align="left" width="68%"><span class="type2">D. McFadden 30 Yd Run</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">13</span></td><td align="center" width="8%"><span class="type2">17</span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td colspan="2"><div style="float:left; width:292px;"><div id="hdr-custom-sml" style="background-color:#000000; text-align:left; text-indent:3px;">Washington Redskins</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" class="tblspacer" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" width="44%"><span class="type5">Passing</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">C/ATT</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">TD</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">INT</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Donovan McNabb</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">22/30</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">225</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Rushing</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">ATT</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">AVG</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Clinton Portis</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">14</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">21</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1.4</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Receiving</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">REC</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">AVG</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Chris Cooley</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">61</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">12.2</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Anthony Armstrong</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">6</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">57</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">9.5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Defense</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TKL</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">SACK</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">INT</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Tyvon Branch</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">9</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Richard Seymour</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Nnamdi Asomugha</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr></table></div><div style="float:right; width:292px;"><div id="hdr-custom-sml" style="background-color:#000000; text-align:left; text-indent:3px;">Oakland Raiders</div><table align="center" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" class="tblspacer" style="border-top:0;"><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left" width="44%"><span class="type5">Passing</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">C/ATT</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">TD</span></td><td align="right" width="14%"><span class="type5">INT</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Jason Campbell</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">13/22</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">144</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Rushing</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">ATT</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">AVG</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Darren McFadden</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">16</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">83</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5.1</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Michael Bush</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">4</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">20</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Receiving</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">REC</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">YDS</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">AVG</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Chaz Schilens</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">50</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">16.6</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Louis Murphy</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">3</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">20</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">6.6</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="colhead-sml"><td align="left"><span class="type5">Defense</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TKL</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">SACK</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">INT</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type5">TD</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Andre Carter</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">6</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">London Fletcher</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">6</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="left"><span class="type2">Rocky McIntosh</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">5</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">1</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td><td align="right"><span class="type2">0</span></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></table><div align="right"><span class="type2"><a href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com" target="_blank"><b>OperationSports.com</b></a></span></div></div></center></body></html>

          One other bit of info - the longest play from scrimmage was a 39 - yard pass by McNabb. The second highest was McFadden's game-winning run. Everything else was below that, which means there were no huge plays in the entire game. I've never seen that at default settings (including 50 speed threshold) before this patch - EVER. That's why I don't think the score would have gotten much crazier in a full-length game. Every scoring drive was built around consistent offense and long drives - not the big play, and that was the best part about this whole game.
          Bolded the part that has me the most excited. If default sliders lower big plays, an online franchise is finally a real possibility.
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          • Todem
            Banned
            • Jul 2010
            • 313

            #20
            Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

            I am excited about the patch seeing that. But I still like my big plays. That is the fun that Madden lacked big time in 2010.

            I hope they did not make this Madden 10. I already played that game and shelved it after 3 months because it was a total bore.

            Slider tweaks are in order it seems!
            Last edited by Todem; 09-23-2010, 07:46 AM.

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            • jvaccaro
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 1037

              #21
              Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

              Any chance we'll get some details on exactly how these things where tuned..?
              • Fixing a bug to allow friend invites to ranked games
              • Generally making pass defense more effective
              • Reducing number of broken tackles
              • Fixing user blitz exploit(s)
              • Tuning injuries
              • Tuning CPU & GameFlow play-calling logic
              • Improving play action blocking
              • Improving kick return blocking
              • Improving online connectivity issues with kick meter lag, media streaming, etc.
              • Random stability improvements
              • Miscellaneous gameplay balancing

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              • sportyguyfl31
                MVP
                • Nov 2005
                • 4745

                #22
                Re: Madden Patch 1.03 Available for Download!

                Originally posted by bcruise
                One other bit of info - the longest play from scrimmage was a 39 - yard pass by McNabb. The second highest was McFadden's game-winning run. Everything else was below that, which means there were no huge plays in the entire game. I've never seen that at default settings (including 50 speed threshold) before this patch - EVER. That's why I don't think the score would have gotten much crazier in a full-length game. Every scoring drive was built around consistent offense and long drives - not the big play, and that was the best part about this whole game.
                I like your impressions...sounds like they tweaked what needed to be tweaking, without wrecking the overall feel of the game.

                I think guys who like to take control of their pass rushers from time to time, will be happy that they can trust their coverage people not to break down, due to the AI wigging out on them.

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                • Bootzilla
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1433

                  #23
                  Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                  Does the kick return blocking improvements affect the cpu? It would be nice to fear kicking to Cribbs, Hester, et al.

                  Any idea how much later before we see the 360 patch?

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                  • soccerluv
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 54

                    #24
                    Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                    Just got beat by the browns as the rams 27-16 on all pro. Normal speed 50 threshold. Fun. NCAA feels like an NFL game to me sometimes. I bought madden on opening day and this was the best game I've had yet. This was offline franchise. Pre-season.

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                    • lisinas
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1218

                      #25
                      Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                      Originally posted by Bootzilla
                      Does the kick return blocking improvements affect the cpu? It would be nice to fear kicking to Cribbs, Hester, et al.

                      Any idea how much later before we see the 360 patch?
                      I played with Lions against browns and really you can tell Kickoff/puntreturns improved. Not like that cpu or user will get 6points everytime but now you get some decent possition to start your drive from and Cribbs really scared me at one kick off return though he didnt ran for 6. Pass defence improved a bit ,not drastically that you couldnt get 100passing yards , but its improved and 4verticals arent cheating anymore.
                      Last edited by lisinas; 09-23-2010, 09:08 AM.
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                      • Bootzilla
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1433

                        #26
                        Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                        Originally posted by lisinas
                        I played with Lions against browns and really you can tell Kickoff/puntreturns improved. Not like that cpu or user will get 6points everytime but now you get some decent possition to start your drive from and Cribbs really scared me at once kick off return though he didnt ran for 6. Pass defence improved a bit ,not drastically that you couldnt get 100passing yards , but its improved and 4verticals arent cheating anymore.
                        Cool. Thanks. Can't wait for 360 patch.

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                        • TheMove7
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 14

                          #27
                          Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                          Is it for sure its coming out for 360 today? Shouldn't it already be out? Seems like everyhting latley is coming late on 360. Really the reason im leting my live run out. Only thing im losing is netflix but ill live.

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                          • BStackz
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 28

                            #28
                            Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                            I thought over the past few weeks that they did fix the kicking meter and stuck it in the earlier patch.

                            Because after that patch i did notice the kick meter not lagging as much, that's weird.

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                            • hort22
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 280

                              #29
                              Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                              Originally posted by jvaccaro
                              Any chance we'll get some details on exactly how these things where tuned..?
                              • Fixing a bug to allow friend invites to ranked games
                              • Generally making pass defense more effective
                              • Reducing number of broken tackles
                              • Fixing user blitz exploit(s)
                              • Tuning injuries
                              • Tuning CPU & GameFlow play-calling logic
                              • Improving play action blocking
                              • Improving kick return blocking
                              • Improving online connectivity issues with kick meter lag, media streaming, etc.
                              • Random stability improvements
                              • Miscellaneous gameplay balancing

                              ...
                              so they made kickoffs easier...last night (first full week with the game) returned a kick with percy harvin on all pro to open the game...so now it might be easier...wierd

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                              • CRMosier_LM
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 2061

                                #30
                                Re: Madden NFL 11 Patch 1.03 Available For PS3, Later For 360 - Post Impressions Here

                                I am sooooo excited that they may have fixes the "big play" issue. Big plays are supposed to be a result of strategy, play calling, and a little luck. Not handed out like candy on Halloween. Nothing is more aggravating then playing great defense all game then have a guy break a 5 man gang tackle and go for 6 twice a game... not very realistic. I personally love the game but that aspect caused my blood preassure to sky rocket sometimes... like okay we feel bad ur getting dominated... here are a couple TD's you didn't earn just so you don't lose self esteem lol.

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