NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

[DakkoN]

Re: NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

And that -1 overall rating will make him not play like himself ?

When you get your hands on the game, you'll see how he plays like himself without needing a +1 overall rating boost mate, don't worry.

You obviously don't take sarcasm well.. Dude was poking fun of the people nitpicking.

[ataman5]

Re: NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

You obviously don't take sarcasm well.. Dude was poking fun of the people nitpicking.

Ah ok, i just can't seperate these lines sometimes, i think that's bcs i'm kinda new to 2k forums in operationsports, so i'm warming up, thx for the heads up.

[AdamBa17]

derek fisher, 69??!

come on, he's better than that!

[ThatSacTownKingsFan]

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derek fisher, 69??!

come on, he's better than that!

You don't know that, this upcoming season might be where he slows down his game.

Steve Blake > Fisher.

[Brew]

I know 2k will update the rosters correctly as the season progresses....
However, with D-Rose playoff performance he should be a little higher than 85.
I would of thought Durant would be higher too after the World Championships...
Obviously, summer league impacted John Wall's rating... 81? Wow, over Curry and 1 point behind Evans?
Wasnt Evans over 85 at the end of last season on 2K10(havent played in a while cant remember)?
Salmons and Jennings are very underrated... Bucks could surprise some people this year!

[dwanestar]

Gallinari should definitely be ranked above Chandler. Danilo had the better season last year and has more upside going forward.

uit nederland?

[Fngb3]

Appologies if this is redundant, I don't have time to read every post to see if someone's put this up already:
Average Rating of an NBA Starter in 2K by position
PG 77
SG 75
SF 75
PF 77
C 75

95-99 GOATs
90-94 Superstar/All NBA 1st team
85-89 Perennial All-Star/ All NBA 2nd
80-84 All-Star Caliber
75-79 Average NBA Starter/6th MOTY
70-74 Below Average Starter/6th man
65-69 Rotation Player
60-64 Bench/D-League
55-59 Training Camp
50-54 Not suitable for NBA basketball

Here are my opinions on over/under-rated players:
Too By
Bobcats Jackson Stephen SG 84 High 2
Bobcats Dampier Eric C 60 Low 2
Bucks Maggette Corey SF 78 High 4
Celtics Perkins Kendrick C 72 Low 3
Hawks Bibby Mike PG 73 High 2
Hornets Ariza Trevor SF 79 High 3
Hornets Okafor Emeka C 77 High 2
Lakers Fisher Derrick PG 69 High 1
Magic Carter Vince SG 81 High 3
Mavericks Kidd Jason PG 83 High 5
Nuggets Anthony Carmelo SF 93 High 2
Nuggets Nene Hilario C 75 Low 2
Pacers McRoberts Josh PF 54 Hansborough will start here
Pistons Hamilton Richard SG 77 B Gordon will start here
Raptors Kleiza Linas SF 55 Derozan starts here
Spurs Mcdyess Antonio C 68 Tiago Splitter will start
Suns Lopez Robin C 64 Low
Thunder Durant Kevin SF 91 Low 1
T'Wolves Love Kevin PF 74 Low 2
Warriors Ellis Monta SG 84 High 3
Wizards Wall John PG 81 High 2

My concern with many of these is that the overall scores for a player under value the role their defensive abilities play. For example you take a guy like Corey Magette who is essentially a very solid player almost exclusively for his ability to get to the free throw line and convert. He is generally understood to be a very poor defender, yet in this he is 2 shy of being considered "all-star caliber." Conversely, Kendrick Perkins who was the best post defender last post season (and that is going up against the likes of J. O'neal, S. O'neal, Dwight Howard, and Gasol/Bynum) by allowing the least amount of points from his math-up per post touch. He was the best by a spolid margin despite phenominal competition. But he's a 72 overall. A below average NBA starter. If the Celtics were offered Omeka Okafor for Kendrick Perkins straight up, I would venture to guess it's not as much of a no-brainer as this list would indicate (5 overall difference?!) and I'm not even sure they would want to make the trade at all...

Will happily discuss any of the other ratings people disagree with...

[Fngb3]

To clarify, the format of my post got a little scrunched. There were some nice neat columns in there, honest. For the block of players it was supposed to have a column of "Too" high or low, "By" some number. It's not letting me edit the post.

[jeebs9]

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This thread cracks me up to no end. Guys are comparing PG's to C's and making all kinds of crazy claims.

Just because you think your team got "shafted" doesn't mean the ratings suck, their are certain attributes that go into a final overall rating, someone might be better in a certain category than another guy, which would cause his overall to guy up a few points, but it doesn't mean he's leaps and bounds better than the guy you're comparing him too.

People are all too focused on the overall and not on the individual ratings and tendencies.

SMH

On second thought, I think i'll jump on the bandwagon too.

"OMG this is so st00pid! why is ronnie brewer only rated a 69!? have u seen him layup the ball!?!? Get it together 2k!"

LMFAO!!

Tbh, me thinks Udrih shoud come off the bench for Reke as a sixth man.

I'd start Donte at SF for the height and the fact he is a great player. (The dude is 7 foot.)

Casspi at SG (Prefer him there, plus, height.)

Landry at 4

Can't decide whether Dalembert should start ahead of Cousins or vice-versa , I'd switch them too around alot on different games. (Maybe start Samuel when playing a tough offensive squad.)

Are you kidding me? Tyreke needs to start at SG. He needs to focus on scoring. Not bringing the ball up. Not getting everyone in involved. Just taking it to the rack. Casspi and Greene are interchangable. Samuel has to start. Brings defense and rebounding...something no else can bring on the team.

[Colts18]

Re: NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

95-99 GOATs
90-94 Superstar/All NBA 1st team
85-89 Perennial All-Star/ All NBA 2nd
80-84 All-Star Caliber
75-79 Average NBA Starter/6th MOTY
70-74 Below Average Starter/6th man
65-69 Rotation Player
60-64 Bench/D-League
55-59 Training Camp
50-54 Not suitable for NBA basketball

Fng,

Wassup brother.

Why do people keep using this scale as if 2K released it saying this is what they go by?

Also, the issue I have with this scale implies that 2K has a predetermined overall rating for players in the NBA. Is this the case? If it was, wouldn't they overrate Dirk Nowitski's defense and rebounds to increase his overalls?

[ThatSacTownKingsFan]

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LMFAO!!



Are you kidding me? Tyreke needs to start at SG. He needs to focus on scoring. Not bringing the ball up. Not getting everyone in involved. Just taking it to the rack. Casspi and Greene are interchangable. Samuel has to start. Brings defense and rebounding...something no else can bring on the team.

That's what I'm saying, Tyreke STARTING PG, every so minutes - Udrih comes on - Reke to the 2 guard.

It's such a versatile team. Casspi can play SG and SF. Greene, because of his height you could POSSIBLY play him at the PF.

Landry/JT/Dalembert/Cousins can pretty much play all the big guy positions.

[jeebs9]

Re: NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

Having him at SG would take a lot of pressure off of him.

[Fngb3]

Fng,

Wassup brother.

Why do people keep using this scale as if 2K released it saying this is what they go by?

Also, the issue I have with this scale implies that 2K has a predetermined overall rating for players in the NBA. Is this the case? If it was, wouldn't they overrate Dirk Nowitski's defense and rebounds to increase his overalls?

Alright I'm with you there, it's not an official scale by any stretch. But it's hard to completely deny the general accuracy of it. James, Kobe, Wade all those guys are 1st ballot HOFrs. Ray Allen really is just on the cusp of super star (barely getting voted in the last 2/3 years). I mean for the vast majority of the player overalls, this scale is a solid way to get a sense of where I player stands regarding the rest of the league.

Also I wouldn't say overall's are predetermined. There should be some reason for general consensus Say Dirk is an 83. Right now he's an all star. Not the MVP he was several years ago. Not All First-team any more. But an all star. I mean, I'd say that's a true statement. We know the individual stats somehow calculate the players overall, even if we're not sure exactly how they weight it. But if Dirk as an 83 is legit, and his rebounding isn't that great and his defense is certainly terrible, then he's gotta be amazing in other areas. Amazing shooter, amazing free throw guy, solid handles for a 7 footer... The reason he's not a high 80s guy is BECAUSE his rebounding and defense are low.

I dunno maybe I'm misunderstanding your question/point. Would you say it again differently for me?

[shawnomega]

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Alright I'm with you there, it's not an official scale by any stretch. But it's hard to completely deny the general accuracy of it. James, Kobe, Wade all those guys are 1st ballot HOFrs. Ray Allen really is just on the cusp of super star (barely getting voted in the last 2/3 years). I mean for the vast majority of the player overalls, this scale is a solid way to get a sense of where I player stands regarding the rest of the league.

Also I wouldn't say overall's are predetermined. There should be some reason for general consensus Say Dirk is an 83. Right now he's an all star. Not the MVP he was several years ago. Not All First-team any more. But an all star. I mean, I'd say that's a true statement. We know the individual stats somehow calculate the players overall, even if we're not sure exactly how they weight it. But if Dirk as an 83 is legit, and his rebounding isn't that great and his defense is certainly terrible, then he's gotta be amazing in other areas. Amazing shooter, amazing free throw guy, solid handles for a 7 footer... The reason he's not a high 80s guy is BECAUSE his rebounding and defense are low.

I dunno maybe I'm misunderstanding your question/point. Would you say it again differently for me?

While I agree with some of the things you've said, there is no way Wade/Lebron are HOF worthy yet. Kobe? Of course. It's to soon for Wade/Lebron, and I like wade. Other then that I am ok with this post lol/

[Fngb3]

While I agree with some of the things you've said, there is no way Wade/Lebron are HOF worthy yet. Kobe? Of course. It's to soon for Wade/Lebron, and I like wade. Other then that I am ok with this post lol/

Haha OK I mean here's the thing. The ratings for any one particular year are for where a player is at "that year." it's not like a culmination of their whole careers. I think it's pretty hard to argue that if James and Wade play at the level they've played at the last 5 years of their careers, and play that way for 5 more, that they'll be HOFrs easy. can't tell the future, obviously, but if you look at the caliber players they are now and assume there's no major drop offs (which there's no reason to) then they're GOATs for sure. Kobe is further along in his career so his case has been made, unlike James and Wade who are younger, but if we fast forward 5 years down the road James and Wade are gonna be statistically in the realm of other greats.