NBA Elite 11 Demo Roundtable

[Boilerbuzz]

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Agenda.. thats what it is. You're a previously banned user

I found it funny how he tried to "talk over" folks, and then drew wild conclusions from his babble. But, I digress.

Sorry. I'm not one to pile on, but I agree that many people are upset with the changes because they felt the decisions were made a vacuum. But, you just don't know. Human emotions are the one thing you can't predict or manage. I know. I have a wife and 4 daughters.

[Jano]

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I hear that. One of my next posts I said pretty much the same thing. It's ridiculous to have to sit at the top of the arc and dribble like a madman just to protect the ball. That's tiring AND unrealistic. But, that said, I still don't have a problem with the act of properly protecting the ball being under our control. In the NBA, those savvy vets just turn their bodies and put the ball out of reach. That's a pretty simple command to add.

Heck, we have a post up button, maybe that works fine for protecting the ball....

A button would be fine but where this game needs the most improvement in is contextual animations. Right now when you dribble the ball is exposed all the time unless you press the post up button.

What needs to happen is players need to respond to the defender by always moving in relation to what he does. The game allowing you to be in control of your dribble is nice but what it also needs is a more expansive protect the ball system.

Not only should we be able to move with the ball exposed but we also should have the option to move quickly with the ball protected to. This will help out on fastbreaks where you need to protect the ball and dribble forward at the same time. As of right now the game only allows you to move quickly with ball exposed for next year the devs need to add more contextual animations for the protect the ball stance too.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Currently, most 3D animation is canned. It is produced manually and then played back in essentially fixed form. As a consequence, current animation assets are not fully interactive; thus putting major limitations on realism, believability and gameplay. For example, despite the availability of high-quality motion capture data, it is not possible to create believable and coherent American football tackles as the infinite number of possible character interactions cannot be predicted or produced beforehand.

Done with it.

I wonder where you got that from

http://www.naturalmotion.com/files/white_paper_dms.pdf

[Jano]

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That is not true. But why is this even a discussion? Why don't you guys stay on topic and off of 2K?

It's not, it seems like it would? In that however many variations of a certain situation a game has is always how they are going to play out.

So if I'm playing a game and I steal the ball and its a 2P anim steal isn't the animation always going to be the same set of sequences all the time. I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing he was but whatever im interested anyway lol!

[Fngb3]

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That is not true. But why is this even a discussion? Why don't you guys stay on topic and off of 2K?

Woah now, woooaaah just a second here. 2 man animations is not the exclusive property of 2K. Just because my man is talkin about recorded animations does not mean is talking about 2K and not Elite. This is a comment about the technology of these games... Did he really get banned for that comment? It says he's banned now and that was the last comment he made.

[Jasong7777]

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In the end the consumer just wants a NBA game that plays like the NBA. With it being as close to sim as possible. It is like EA forgot to put the NBA in the game. Elite is more like a good pick up game of basketball. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not NBA basketball. Smooth out the gameplay and make the NBA players play like themselves and you got a game. Hopefully it does not take 5 years.

[nccomicfan]

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In the end the consumer just wants a NBA game that plays like the NBA. With it being as close to sim as possible. It is like EA forgot to put the NBA in the game. Elite is more like a good pick up game of basketball. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not NBA basketball. Smooth out the gameplay and make the NBA players play like themselves and you got a game. Hopefully it does not take 5 years.

That's a perfect description of Live 10 to me...played immaculate fundamental hoops but did not in anyway shape or form represent the NBA

[Beastly Wayz]

One Word - GARBAGE

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Roundtable

It's not, it seems like it would? In that however many variations of a certain situation a game has is always how they are going to play out.

So if I'm playing a game and I steal the ball and its a 2P anim steal isn't the animation always going to be the same set of sequences all the time. I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing he was but whatever im interested anyway lol!

Not a fan of the gridiron? Thats the typical broken tackle.

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Roundtable

Woah now, woooaaah just a second here. 2 man animations is not the exclusive property of 2K. Just because my man is talkin about recorded animations does not mean is talking about 2K and not Elite. This is a comment about the technology of these games... Did he really get banned for that comment? It says he's banned now and that was the last comment he made.

Uh did you read? He was a previously banned user.

[drss]

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In the end the consumer just wants a NBA game that plays like the NBA. With it being as close to sim as possible. It is like EA forgot to put the NBA in the game. Elite is more like a good pick up game of basketball. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not NBA basketball. Smooth out the gameplay and make the NBA players play like themselves and you got a game. Hopefully it does not take 5 years.

I agree.

The finish touches need to be there to make the game feel more like NBA aside from just the cosmetic aspects.

Hopefully next year's game will be complete, and that we don't have to wait till "year 3" to get that NHL/FIFA level game.

When they're there, they'll get my money and I'll be glad to pay them for a well deserved product.

Right now? I'm kind of undecided. OS has me convinced that if I can learn the 2K controls, I'll like it; even though it is dull for me right now, and Elite is instantly fun.

Instant fun that has a danger of being short-lived

vs.

delayed, toned down fun that last longer.

it really is hard to decide.

Elite also cost $10 more than 2k11... That's not a sweet deal at all.

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Roundtable

It's not, it seems like it would? In that however many variations of a certain situation a game has is always how they are going to play out.

So if I'm playing a game and I steal the ball and its a 2P anim steal isn't the animation always going to be the same set of sequences all the time. I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing he was but whatever im interested anyway lol!

Doesn't have to be. Remember the NFL 2K tackling system. Let's get this straight. Every game will have static animations. What makes them dynamic is how much one makes slight alterations to those animations as they play. Some you can break out of at certain points. Others, you can overlay changes to parts by using another animation or some other physical dynamic. Technically, I can claim a game never uses a static animation if that game uses IK every frame.

So, really, why should we care about the tech? If it works and makes the better game, then who cares if it uses multi-actor animations or not? Who cares if it uses key framed animations instead of mocap? Just make a good game that represents the sport. The tech should only be a tool. Not a feature on the back of the box!

[Boilerbuzz]

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Right now? I'm kind of undecided. OS has me convinced that if I can learn the 2K controls, I'll like it; even though it is dull for me right now, and Elite is instantly fun.

Instant fun that has a danger of being short-lived

vs.

delayed, toned down fun that last longer.

it really is hard to decide.

Elite also cost $10 more than 2k11... That's not a sweet deal at all.

It's not hard at all to decide. The fact that you feel you need to be convinced speaks to the fact that your decision has already been made. You are just trying to change that decision. Why should you? If you are content with what EA is offering you at this point, then go with it. You should get Elite. Based on your comments, it's clear you would prefer to stick with the EA brand and you shouldn't feel guilty about that.

[blind10]

Did any of the guys evaluating this demo change the controller from analog controls to button configuration. This game plays great using button configuration. The analog controls suck. The button controls are very responsive.

[pmully94]

Agenda.. thats what it is. You're a previously banned user

have you ever played NFL 2k5?????