Basketball is NOT Hockey

[infinityBCRT]

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I think a lot of people forget or maybe are unaware of the development path of the NHL series. The first game they did on 360 was SUPER bare bones on and off the ice. Their whole focus was pretty much the skill stick. A lot of people hated on the new controls and a lot of people argued NHL 2K7 was a much better game. Fast forward two years later when people were used to the skill stick controls and they started to layer a lot of depth into the gameplay on and off the ice, and then people started to shower the NHL series with sports game of the year awards. I'm not saying that it would automatically happen here, but even the NHL series wasn't built in a year or two. It took multiple years after the pitiful NHL 06 for it to get back on track.

[blackceasar]

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I think a lot of people forget or maybe are unaware of the development path of the NHL series. The first game they did on 360 was SUPER bare bones on and off the ice. Their whole focus was pretty much the skill stick. A lot of people hated on the new controls and a lot of people argued NHL 2K7 was a much better game. Fast forward two years later when people were used to the skill stick controls and they started to layer a lot of depth into the gameplay on and off the ice, and then people started to shower the NHL series with sports game of the year awards. I'm not saying that it would automatically happen here, but even the NHL series wasn't built in a year or two. It took multiple years after the pitiful NHL 06 for it to get back on track.

True but Live was pitiful in 06 too...so youd think the NBA game would be at the same point is the NHL game.

[magicman32]

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I think a lot of people forget or maybe are unaware of the development path of the NHL series. The first game they did on 360 was SUPER bare bones on and off the ice. Their whole focus was pretty much the skill stick. A lot of people hated on the new controls and a lot of people argued NHL 2K7 was a much better game. Fast forward two years later when people were used to the skill stick controls and they started to layer a lot of depth into the gameplay on and off the ice, and then people started to shower the NHL series with sports game of the year awards. I'm not saying that it would automatically happen here, but even the NHL series wasn't built in a year or two. It took multiple years after the pitiful NHL 06 for it to get back on track.

But basketball is not hockey. I don't know if EA can pull of what NHL did, but using the same control scheme as the Hockey game was a bad idea. And I will go out on a limb and GUARANTEE they will change the controls for Elite again in the future.

Also the RTP, doesn't seem to produce the fundamentals of bball. The developers said it was done on purpose. That's not good. EA needs to get basketball minds working on there game period. They just delayed the release of Elite, so I think they may be AWAKE now.

[elprez98]

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But basketball is not hockey. I don't know if EA can pull of what NHL did, but using the same control scheme as the Hockey game was a bad idea. And I will go out on a limb and GUARANTEE they will change the controls for Elite again in the future.

Also the RTP, doesn't seem to produce the fundamentals of bball. The developers said it was done on purpose. That's not good. EA needs to get basketball minds working on there game period. They just delayed the release of Elite, so I think they may be AWAKE now.

The point is to get consumers trained to a certain gameplay style that's universal across every EA sports game. They haven't perfected it yet for B-ball yet.

[23]

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What fan said they wanted that... bball fan at that?

[magicman32]

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The point is to get consumers trained to a certain gameplay style that's universal across every EA sports game. They haven't perfected it yet for B-ball yet.

R2 is pass. Come on. They could have easily made it one of the face buttons. I've got used to the controls for the most part, but this is something that will always feel odd IMO. Also there is no turbo. I knew this would be a disaster when I first heard about it a month ago. But I did like the devs told me and waited for the demo. I bet they changed this also. You have to do a quarter circle to do a layup. That's ridiculous. Any casual gamer won't want to play this game with that control scheme. Having dribbling, jumping, stealing and shooting one stick isn't very intuitive. Again this is just my opinion and I believe they will change a lot of the controls.

Personally, I'm not a fan of freestyle dribbling. It's unrealistic in itself. You can watch any basketball game and notice that NBA players a not going behind the back and crossing over (in a stand still position) like in Elite. Total control in basketball can end up being a total disaster and that's what Elite is at this point.

[da ThRONe]

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But basketball is not hockey. I don't know if EA can pull of what NHL did, but using the same control scheme as the Hockey game was a bad idea. And I will go out on a limb and GUARANTEE they will change the controls for Elite again in the future.

Also the RTP, doesn't seem to produce the fundamentals of bball. The developers said it was done on purpose. That's not good. EA needs to get basketball minds working on there game period. They just delayed the release of Elite, so I think they may be AWAKE now.

When I read about this from the devs. I was like "Oh oh Houston we have a problem". How exactly are you making a sim game and purposely getting the basic fundmentals of physics wrong. I believe I posted a line that said "How can you have a game with Real time phyics with false phyics?". There selling point was the interaction between ball handling and on ball defense. I have to admit on ball defense may be the best in any basketball title ,but as a ball handler it seems really bad almost like a level of suction they were trying to remove.

[elprez98]

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What fan said they wanted that... bball fan at that?

Hey don't kill the messenger.

Seriously, though. Purely from a business standpoint, I understand what they attempted. If you can get gamers to get used to your gameplay across all sports' genres, that's one hell of a coup.

However, there was an amazingly naive underestimation of what 2k could/would come with this year. I seriously doubt that we'd even be having this conversation right now if they didn't have such a complete product. The comparison of the two only made Elite look more inept as a true representation of NBA basketball.

[23]

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Hey don't kill the messenger.

Seriously, though. Purely from a business standpoint, I understand what they attempted. If you can get gamers to get used to your gameplay across all sports' genres, that's one hell of a coup.

However, there was an amazingly naive underestimation of what 2k could/would come with this year. I seriously doubt that we'd even be having this conversation right now if they didn't have such a complete product. The comparison of the two only made Elite look more inept as a true representation of NBA basketball.

lol im not man, im just saying

you cant just throw something out there below the standard and say hey, ignore everything thats not right

[mrclutch]

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I don't know the concept was really that bad. For me it's all about time. I doubt there is a next gen game in the world that would be very good with only 1 year to work on it. They might just blow us away when the next EA Hoops game comes out.