EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[PolkHigh33]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Jake Shields(me) vs Miller(cpu)

It was a close match with Miller almost locking in two subs. Got in some decent work on the ground and did a great job taking me down.

I landed some bigger blows in the stand up and on the ground stood up from mount twice because the CPU sucks once mounted.

This was a really close fight and don't see anyway shape or form the judging would of came out like below. This looks as if i just straight dominated, but it looked much closer.

Judge 1
Round 1 - 10/8 Jake
Round 2 - 10/7 Jake
Round 3 - 10/10 Jake
Total - 30/25 Jake

Judge 2
Round 1 - 10/9
Round 2 - 10/8
Round 3 - 10/10
Total - 30/27 Jake

Judge 3
Round 1 - 10/8 Jake
Round 2 - 10/7 Jake
Round 3 - 10/10 Jake
Total - 30/25 Jake

10/10 round?

The winner gets 10 and the loser gets 9 or less ..

[Phobia]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

10/10 round?

The winner gets 10 and the loser gets 9 or less ..

a 10/10 round is a draw bud. Those happen a whole lot more than a 10/7 round.

[PolkHigh33]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

a 10/10 round is a draw bud. Those happen a whole lot more than a 10/7 round.

There's no such thing as Draw round .. only way to have a draw round is if someone loses a point and they won the round making it a 9/9 round ..

[Phobia]

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There's no such thing as Draw round .. only way to have a draw round is if someone loses a point and they won the round making it a 9/9 round ..

They are rare but they have been given out in the UFC. UFC 43 had a case of it.

The biggest misconception associated with the 10 point must system, particularly amongst Mixed Martial Arts fans, is that you cannot have a 10:10 round. 10:10 rounds are infrequent within MMA but are allowed within the rules.

[PolkHigh33]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Quote from MMA rules

You seem to be right .. but I've never seen it and they say it's incredibly rare ..

I've never once witnessed a 10/10 round and I've watched 20 years of MMA ..

http://www.mmamemories.com/2007/12/14/mma-rules-unified-rules-for-mixed-martial-arts.html

There's a better source for rules ..

It's good it's in the game, but you should pretty much NEVER see it ..

[jeremym480]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

+1

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Same here.

It's a good, not great title. Plus, I just can't find time to fit it in with with the other great sports games that are out right now. I'll probably pick it up in the Spring if there's a lull in my gaming life. Other than that it's a pass.

[Phobia]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

You seem to be right .. but I've never seen it and they say it's incredibly rare ..

I've never once witnessed a 10/10 round and I've watched 20 years of MMA ..

http://www.mmamemories.com/2007/12/14/mma-rules-unified-rules-for-mixed-martial-arts.html

There's a better source for rules ..

It's good it's in the game, but you should pretty much NEVER see it ..

Agreed but I would rather see a 10:10 round than a 10/7 round any day though

[PolkHigh33]

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Agreed but I would rather see a 10:10 round than a 10/7 round anyday though

Very true ..

If a round was 10/7 then it probably should have been stopped .. seeing how a 10/8 is complete control of every aspect ..

[Phobia]

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Very true ..

If a round was 10/7 then it probably should have been stopped .. seeing how a 10/8 is complete control of every aspect ..

I don't know if a 10/7 round has ever been handed out. So why it is there is dumbfounding. Hell a 10:8 round is even hard to come by.

the 10-8 round. In a landscape where nearly every round is scored 10-9, a fighter must do something extraordinary to deserve that 10-8, the scoring equivalent of winning two rounds at once.

Historically, 10-8 rounds are about as rare as a Chuck Liddell submission attempt.

[PolkHigh33]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

I don't know if a 10/7 round has ever been handed out. So why it is there is dumbfounding. Hell a 10:8 round is even hard to come by.

LOL

As rare as a Chuck Liddell submission ..

Yea not even sure if 10/7 exists ..

[Phobia]

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LOL

As rare as a Chuck Liddell submission ..

Yea not even sure if 10/7 exists ..

Basically my fight scores I posted had the three rarest scoring scores EVER AND they were all in the same fight LMAO

3)10:8's
2)10:7's
3)10:10's

The fight only had ONE 10:9 scored by ONE judge I mean come on!!!!!!!!!

Yea they got the scoring right

[PolkHigh33]

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Basically my fight scores I posted had the three rarest scoring scores EVER AND they were all in the same fight LMAO

3)10:8's
2)10:7's
3)10:10's

The fight only had ONE 10:9 scored by ONE judge I mean come on!!!!!!!!!

Yea they got the scoring right

LOL Yea they need to tweak the scoring for sure ..

[Phobia]

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LOL Yea they need to tweak the scoring for sure ..

Going to find out again if I had the rarest fight in all of MMA lol. Going to have another go to the decision. Try and keep it standing because the ground game tends to favor the Hum a good bit better.

Will post decision scores

Edit: Ok decision is in.

Miller(me) vs Jake Shields(CPU)

Ok this was a complete dominating performance for me. I dominated in the striking and cut Jake Shields badly on his left eye. I worked the cut which opened up huge. The fight turned into a ground game about mid way through the first round. Then he basically attempted a take down every chance he could get. I noticed a few things though that are a concern.

1) I threw a ton of punches, once I hurt the CPU it would turtle up and just eat shots. Trying to parry or block but mainly just eating punches. So this caused me to land at a incredible hit percentage.

strikes - 307/412 - 75% hp
Kicks - 5/20 - 25% hp

What I also noticed is even me throwing this many shots, my stamina was not that low. Granted most of these were small shots from a dominate position on the ground. I just would of expect little more stamina loss just winging away for 5:00s.

286/328 Ground strikes for me compared to the CPU 53/78. Most of this was because of the CPU lacking any ground game. So it is simple to get to top control. They also don't guard the body from the ground off their back. I landed 32/36 knees all of which were from ground.

2) The scores came out strange again. I will explain.

Judge 1 & 2
Rd 1 - 10/10 Draw
Rd 2 - 10/7 Miller
Rd 3 - 10/7 Miller

Judge
Rd 1 - 10/9 Shields
Rd 2 - 10/7 Miller
Rd 3 - 10/7 Miller

First, like I mentioned I don't mind seeing the 10/10 round on two judges. The first round the CPU actually fought tough. It put me on the ground the most that round. It had a lot of ground control. So I don't mind the Rd 1 judging it looked truly that close.

The 2nd & 3rd rounds though. I don't want to see 10/7 rounds. It is just not real. A 10/8 would be perfect. Honestly it was that dominated in Rd 2 and 3 and I respect the 10/7 score in real it would get called that too. If you have a 307 punch landed vs 80 punch landed yea that might warrant a 10/7 round, but with that said I think 10/8's should be lowest score possible. This judging might turn out much better with the HUM vs HUM games. Because the CPU skill is not enough of a challenge to give us a idea of how a HUM will battle.

But I thinking statistically 10/8s should be just about the best round possible in real world terms. So the game should represent that as well

[Phobia]

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Yea Simon we got a judging issue. I just fought again Miller(me) vs Shields(cpu).

This time focusing to go at the CPU pace to keep it close.

Miller(me)
97/191 punches
51% hp

45/110 kicks
46% hp

Shields(cpu)
92/214 punches
43% hp

18/40 kicks
45% hp

14/55 take downs
25%

I completely brutalized the legs of Shields. I went toe to toe and worked the Jab, outside leg kick over and over. His front leg was so destroyed he limped around following me. It was great to see the leg kicks doing great damage and truly making Shields slower and way less effective in the takedowns (held him 14/55).

But all in all this fight was a good close fight. He almost locked in a couple subs when he went for a Kimura and then transferred to a armbar. He also stood tough in the striking and walked through some leg kicks to land shots.

The judging is what concerns me.

Judge 1
Rd 1 - 10/9 Miller
Rd 2 - 10/10 Draw
Rd 3 - 10/9 Shields

Judge 2
Rd 1 - 10/7 Miller (REALLY!!!!???!!!!)
Rd 2 - 10/8 Miller
Rd 3 - 10/8 Miller (LOL REALLY!!!)

Judge 3
Rd 1 - 10/9 Miller
Rd 2 - 10/9 Miller
Rd 3 - 10/9 Shields (WOW we got a real judge on this one lol)

[Mossfan8480]

Re: EA Sports MMA Demo Available For 360, Later For PS3 - Post Impressions Here

This was Simon's reply to my questioning of the judging earlier in the thread.

Big John McCarthy talked with us at length about judging, he helped us quite a bit with our design of the judging system. John talked a LENGTH about how it's one of the problems with the sport in his opinion, but if we want to be true to how it works we have to stick with the fact that judges simply score things differently, some judges are partial to defensive fighting "smart" fighting, some are partial to takedowns, some are partial to guys who take bigger risks etc... one of the things people ALWAYS say is DON'T let it go to the judges because it's anyone's game unless you OWNED the fight. Each judge counts everything that happens in the fight and weighs them based on their persona's like/dislike (so one will score takedowns as very valuable, others might only like a takedown if you do something with it for example).

I admit it might feel unfair but there is NOTHING random about judging and everything you and your opponent do is clicked and counted very carefully, then fed into the judging system. It's sort of "luck of which judges you get" and what you like to do, but if you let it go to the judges (like the real sport) it can go either way unless you clearly dominated the fight. Based on our time with Big John and Frank Shamrock we introduced coded judge persona's that are behind the scenes to make it like realistic judging and it's why some judges will score fights differently than others. I promise there is nothing random, its just one judge might not like "lay and pray" and decide to give your opponent a round (like what happened in Miller/Shields last fight)... Others might call that "dominating a round"

I don't know how he couldn't have been aware of this. Unless he doesn't watch much MMA, the scores stick out like a sore thumb (pardon the cliche).