NBA 2K11 Review

[DaReapa]

Re: NBA 2K11 Review

Haven't played NBA 2K11 yet myself, but I've been reading a lot of posts with many people saying it's the greatest sports game this generation. Does it outshine MLB The Show? If so, why only a 9, and not a 9.5 to 10? If it's truly the greatest? If the greatest only earns a 9.0 at OS, then what does that say about the rating system?

In comparing NBA 2K11 to MLB 10 The Show, I'd say they're neck and neck. You can argue that they're the best in their respective areas for this gen, but I'd say the 9.0 score is spot on. 9.5?? Not so much. To many prevailing issues to warrant that IMO. But then again, I didn't feel that The Show was a 9.5 neither due to the subtle changes.

[Rocky]

Like I said, ratings should have four categories: "Must Buy", "Favorable", "Mediocre", and "Bomb".

[Rimfro]

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I know exactly what you mean. That was another point that I was going to bring up. That happens way too frequently. I think that all of these issues stem from the same problem regarding the animations of players getting off that first step. It is frustrating when you get the guy to bite on the fake, which in basketball, leaving your feet as a defender is a basic no-no, then your player doesn't effectively cut around him. He either hesitates, pulls too wide, or the contact animation triggers (which would be a foul if the defender contacted a player while biting on a fake) allowing the defender, who bit on the fake, getting back to the ground to continue to defend you. This has been a 2k issue for a long time. Like you, I'm not saying that always happens, but it happens a majority of the time for me. It just shouldn't feel so sluggish.

[wheelman990]

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So you gave it a 9 rating? So your saying in your view, the game is = to Madden 11? I say this because you gave Madden 11 a 9 also.

Sorry, once again I see bias scores given out IMO.

I can accept a 9 score for 2k11. I can accept, although highly disagree Maddens a 9. I can't accept Madden=2k11, and that they were given the same rating score. lets be real. One game needs polished, the other needs a complete over haul. I just don't get it...sorry

[squadron supreme]

My biggest complaints are too many missed shots. They still seem to miss a ton of lay-ups and even if you get good ball movement for a wide open jumper good shooters (Mayo,Korver) still clank them off the rim for me. I thought it might be might shot stick timing but looking at my vip profile it says I have a generally good release. The other thing that is annoying is even when I haven't used my dribble of estabished my pivot foot the cpu still telepathically cuts me off.

[ChaseB]

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So you gave it a 9 rating? So your saying in your view, the game is = to Madden 11? I say this because you gave Madden 11 a 9 also.

Sorry, once again I see bias scores given out IMO.

I can accept a 9 score for 2k11. I can accept, although highly disagree Maddens a 9. I can't accept Madden=2k11, and that they were given the same rating score. lets be real. One game needs polished, the other needs a complete over haul. I just don't get it...sorry

Beyond the ratings being given out by two different people about two different sports with completely different text for each game, I see no flaws here...

How about we just talk about this review rather than making every review about Madden? It might actually lead to something other than a tired argument.

(PS, news flash: reviews and scores are flawed. /shocker).

[JonahFalcon]

Dump isomotion. Please, for the love of God. The word "pointless" springs to mind. Next, in an FPS, you'll use both analog sticks to run! One for the left foot, the other for the right! NBA 2K2 was better than this, and it only had ONE, repeat, ONE analog stick.

I also love being penalized for "bad steal attempt". Is there such a thing? Unless I commit a foul or the player uses it to break for the hoop, there's NO. SUCH. THING.

Oh, and I "love" this scenario: 3 point specialist. Down by 5 with a minute left. Wide open for a 3. It's "bad shot selection".

[Rimfro]

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Dump isomotion. Please, for the love of God. The word "pointless" springs to mind. Next, in an FPS, you'll use both analog sticks to run! One for the left foot, the other for the right! NBA 2K2 was better than this, and it only had ONE, repeat, ONE analog stick.

I also love being penalized for "bad steal attempt". Is there such a thing? Unless I commit a foul or the player uses it to break for the hoop, there's NO. SUCH. THING.

Oh, and I "love" this scenario: 3 point specialist. Down by 5 with a minute left. Wide open for a 3. It's "bad shot selection".

I was hoping that they were going to do more to revamp my player. You still get penalized too harshly for "mistakes", and not rewarded enough for the good things you do. It also doesn't help that you are rated so low to begin, or that most of the drills aren't going to garner you too many points early on, because your guy sucks at everything!

I love it when your game goals are hit a three, get two steals, and win the game. Well, if my guy could make a three, I would, but it would be nice to not get penalized when i try to achieve my goals. Same with the steals, like you said, it always says, "bad steal attempt". The problem is, it seems totally random how it gauges a good play, from a bad play. Then the penalties for not meeting the impossible early requirements, is that you get negative points! So my guy isn't good enough yet to complete most of the drills, and he's not quite good enough to meet the early game goals either! At what point does this balance out?!

[Armor and Sword]

I am blown away by the seething hate this game gets by some. I am just floored.

Try Double Dribble, or NES Jordan vs Bird or for that matter Atari Basketball. LOL


This game is an amazing achievement in the arena of console sports video gaming. You can see the love and soul and man hours that went into this gem.

Yes no question it has flaws. But all diamonds have flaws. And this is a Diamond of a game.

I am hooked, and I can't stop playing this game. This was made for hardcore sports gamers. What a year for Sports gamers if you think about it.

NCAA 2011
NHL 2011
NBA2K11
MLB The Show 2010
FIFA 2011

And we are getting Top Spin next year which looks like it will be a winner and also Fight Night Contender next year.

Has there ever been a better time to be a sports video game player?


Ever?

Enjoy the games everyone I know I sure am.

[Rimfro]

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Beyond the ratings being given out by two different people about two different sports with completely different text for each game, I see no flaws here...

How about we just talk about this review rather than making every review about Madden? It might actually lead to something other than a tired argument.

(PS, news flash: reviews and scores are flawed. /shocker).

The point people keep missing is that reviews are opinion articles. There is no way to rate such very different games, even when in the same genre, with the same set of standards. Some people will never see this point. What does it matter to anyone if you think the game is great? Are 5/10's of a point really hindering the ability for some posters to enjoy the game? Is it affecting sleep patterns, or making people question the purpose of gaming in general? If that's the case, maybe you should just refer them to the yellow pages, section beginning with PS.

Political correctness should not extend to video game review scores. We live in a society where everyone always wants to be right, and have brought that mentality into the realm of opinion, and expression, of video game review scores! Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees this as ridiculous? Lol.

I can see it now:

CNN reports today that congress has signed a bill to address, and create video game review equality. The bill, H.R. 3254 states, "any videogame released in a sub-genre of sports gaming, shall be held to equal score standards, regardless of the sport, or date of release, that reflect the differences in quality from one title to the next. Meaning, if an American Football game were to have scored a 9 in the same calendar year as a basketball, or baseball title, the scores should then be adjusted, for all titles, to reflect the level of polish, depth of gameplay, amount of features, etc., in a way that will not conflict with any other previous/current/future review score, so as not to offend the personal views of any legal, U.S. resident, or their surviving next of kin. This law is retro-active, and will create fairness, and equality, for all sports titles, sports gamers, developers, video-game characters, reviewers, editors, retailers, and all Internet forum participants.

This bill is protected by the commerce clause of the United States Constitution, and in no way interferes with the protected freedom of speech, and the freedom of the press, or any other freedom protected by the United States constitution. We felt this bill was necessary for equality of all opinions, as well as sports titles, and is indeed the will of the American people. Hopefully, in time, it will correct years of inequality suffered by those titles, past, present and future, that were not given the proper chances, and/or avenues for success, that many titles have achieved, and been denied, due to an unfair system of accountability, or lack there of."

[bkrich83]

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Everybody that don't agree with you has an agenda. You always try to belittle people for their point of view and drag people into debates about why they think the way they think as though you the only one with the right answers. Then on top of that act like you are Mrs. Cleo and can read minds and gonna post why someone is posting what they are posting. BK said it so it must be true ?

You "wowing" him for debating a review score. If its so trivial why are you in the thread bugging out over it ? You can agree or disagree with whatever anyone says, but how you gonna try and trash someones opinion and then
make them feel like they shouldn't express it ?

As for the review score. I think most people are gonna clump sports game scores together to some degree and then apply whatever logic runs through their minds about games in general to it all.

First thing I thought after seeing the score is after all the NBA2K game brought to the table this year, it gets a 9. 9 ain't a bad score. Then you think about Madden. It also got a 9. Madden from game play to features to presentation does not stack up to older games in its own sport and certainly does not measure up to what NBA2k11 has produced in some peoples opinions. So naturally flags are gonna rise on the scores. How can a game that is still trying to catch up to 5 years ago get a 9 and a game that just raised the bar for sports games in general get the same score ?
I think any reasonable person would look at that question no matter what game we are talking about. It could be Halo, Call of Duty, whatever.

You ever stop to think maybe its you with the "agenda" always trying to point out why people post what they post ?


People judge these games against the games own history and other games(even games not in the same genre). That's fact not "agenda". To act like its otherwise or trivial because you don't agree with it is IMO silly. However I unlike you wont try and demean people or make them feel like they shouldn't be posting what they think.

That sounds like an "agenda" to rid the board of anyone who don't agree with everything you have to say.

Again thanks for proving my point. Your problem isn't so much 2k's score it's Maddens score. Which means you are complaining about Madden in the wrong thread. Which the same handful of people continuously do then claim to be victims when called on it.

Complaining about Maddens score in a nba2k review thread makes what kind of sense if you are not trying to further the same old tired agenda.

As far as your poorly thought out notion that people who don't agree with me I call out as agenda drivers. Agree with me about what exactly??

[bkrich83]

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Of course it's subjective. But we were debating the merits of 2K's efforts some of us felt needed to be appropriately recognized. It's all about perception. Trying to act as if it's the review that "matters" versus the score is the same as trying to trivialize "fractions of a point" as not meaning anything. As with the score, if they don't mean anything then they shouldn't be used. When IGN gave 2K11 a 9.5, what was the first thing they did? Splashed it on a commercial. They didn't layout the text of the review; it was the score and the site. Because of perception.

And it's not necessarily about Madden although I used it in trying to state my case. It shouldn't even be part of the discussion because most would argue it came no where near deserving the score it received - but that's another argument. I'm more familar with Madden than I am NHL, FIFA, or The Show, which are games I consider a legitimate 9 based on what I've read. Even in that company, I feel 2K11 is a effort/product apart from those titles - and I simply stated my reasoning as to why. Unfortunately you see *someone's picking on Madden!* and go into immediate agenda mode [as Tombsong said]. Again your first comment wasn't about the merits of what I was saying, it was a silly broad-reaching comment because I was the one saying it.

Either way, scores matter. And I don't see how reviewers can on one hand place a review with a score, then go back and say "don't look at the score, it doesn't matter". It DOES matter, because it's going to affect a person's perception of that product.

So is your complaint that 2k11 "only" got a 9? Which is ridiculous. Or the fact Madden got a 9? In which case your lodging your complaint in the wrong thread.

[spankdatazz22]

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So is your complaint that 2k11 "only" got a 9? Which is ridiculous. Or the fact Madden got a 9? In which case your lodging your complaint in the wrong thread.

Read my posts instead of the constant. focusing. on. a. Madden. comment. It's silly. It's petty. It's tiring. And it's something you do constantly. We're debating the merits of the review and the score in this thread. There are people that are happy w/the review/score, some that feel the game should be scored less, some that feel the game should be scored higher. All stating their reasoning as to why. You were the one that jumped into the thread insinuating crap without saying anything. As I stated in the comment you posted [paraphrasing] - I feel NBA2K11 is a better game/effort than The Show 10, NHL 11, FIFA 11, Madden 11, and NCAA 11. And deserves to be recognized as such. It's MY opinion and I stated my reasoning why. If you disagree, fine. Make a point if you have one. But you should stop catching feelings and crying about Madden getting picked on - it's past ridiculous.

[bkrich83]

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I feel NBA2K11 is a better game/effort than The Show 10, NHL 11, FIFA 11, Madden 11, and NCAA 11. And deserves to be recognized as such. It's MY opinion and I stated my reasoning why. If you disagree, fine. Make a point if you have one. But you should stop catching feelings and crying about Madden getting picked on - it's past ridiculous.

How can it be better than the Show when you haven't even played the Show?

My point isn't about Madden getting picked on. Why even bring it in to the equation if it wasn't to jumpstart your little crusade? Yes bringing Madden in to it for the reasons you do, is in fact petty and tiring.

you didn't mention the other games until you got called out about Madden. Madden, or the other games have zero to do with the review of 2k.

I mean really you are complaining because it only got a 9? And that' because you feel it's better than games you haven't even played?

Excellent logic. No really, makes perfect sense.

2k11 is a fabulous game, but you're splitting hairs if your issue is the difference between an 9 and a 9.5 especially when it's one persons opinion. I know you aren't arguing this game should be a 10. For as good as it is, it's not perfect.

[bkrich83]

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How about we just talk about this review rather than making every review about Madden? It might actually lead to something other than a tired argument.
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Best post in this thread.