Man does the pass defense suck!

[Shizz420]

I mean, it's so bad, esp online...at least you can slider-it-up vs the CPU.

The AI doesn't help you out at all and you are just user-guessing. I mean you'll give up some plays but 70-80 yard bombs everytime? You have no control unless the other guy makes a bad throw; even then, I'll press Y and guys will either drop it or actually swat it down when the ball is just there for the picking.

The response time and controls suck and you pretty much have to play back off coverage and hope they make the tackle. Why can't this game adopt what NCAA does with the "guess the play" feature, alone with the "Gameplan" mode where I can adjust how each part of my D pass passive/aggressive? What is the AI just letting WRs and RBs go free down the sideline....in Cover 3 coverage? I've scored 50, 63, and 77 pt in online games.......and lost em all.

Don't the Madden guys work next to the NCAA guys? NCAA is a much better game due to the fact I have more control on the stick when it comes to defense, not just offense. I'm on tilt after losing another frustrating game but I guess I'll just not play online anymore its not fun I actually have to use Peyton Manning (kills me as a Pats fan) and just run no-huddle and try to outscore the other team instead of actually playing sound football. I play in an NCAA dynasty and I've had blowouts, but also 12-9 FG/defensive fests (we also don't cheese, that helps).

Don't they extensively QA the thing before they release it? I bet these are the same team that also messed up NBA Elite as well and pretty much gave all their business to NBA2K11 but cutting corners in cost.

Cmon Madden developers we dont want blitz where people are breaking 15 tackles in a row and cheesers just throw it dep every down and see what happens (or use motion to money play).

Yes I am on tilt!

[blklightning]

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that's why i waited and bought nba 2k11. i don't know how they got defense so wrong this year. sure, today's receivers are amazingly talented. but they aren't unstoppable.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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Yea the defense still needs some tuning in this game. All around also with man and zone coverage.

I still find the game playable, but NCAA did a much better job in this dept.

I would also like to add better player control would be nice.

Like I said madden to me is still playable I can get good games in , but I agree as far as the defense still needs some fine tuning.

[CreatineKasey]

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There's no explosiveness on D. It's extremely hard to get the offense to "play on their heels". Offensive players as a whole are too shifty. You can literally run a loop around someone and not even use moves with most offensive players. A change of direction shouldn't punish the defense THAT much.

Another example is just the lack of explosiveness out of their zone responsibility to pursue a dump-off throw in front of them. In real life, if someone dumps a short throw in front of them and they're ready for it (no complementary routes behind to be responsible for) the defender will fly to the reciever and light him up! This just isn't in the game. It's unfortunate. Seam routes are still too viable overall. You can sneak throws into triple coverage consistently and have even below average WR haul it in. That really pidgeon-holes your defensive calls.

The pass rush is better this year, but because there's still basically only engage and disengage, you can't really manipulate the pocket and contain the QB well. See APF for proper usage of this. Outer-most defenders often drive their blocker into the QB, leaving their outside shoulder open to disengage and get at the QB. It's fundamental.

NCAA 11 does a much better job eliminating this. I like momentum, but not extreme loss of speed in pursuit and any change of direction on D like it is in Madden. APF and NCAA do it a lot better.

[Gordy748]

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Will probably get flamed for saying this.... but..... I think Madden has got the passing corect, in so far as the ball going from QB the WR.

Before I get laughed off the forum, what I think Madden has got wrong is the CBs. Watching San Diego against Oakland last night, and Baltimore against Pittsburgh the week before, I couldn't help think that when a WR gets open, it's remarkably similar to Madden (or Madden models this remarkably well). But in tight situations, in real life the CBs pull off some spectacular jumps to swat the ball away which you barely see in Madden.

The only time this happens in Madden is when the ball gets thrown and there are 3 or 4 defenders all milling around where the ball will land. If they only tweaked the algorithm that calculates whether the secondaries actually have the speed, the jumping ability to make a play, I think the pass game would be a lot more realistic.

[erickonasis]

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Agree %100 with the TC

[at23steelers]

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Will probably get flamed for saying this.... but..... I think Madden has got the passing corect, in so far as the ball going from QB the WR.

Before I get laughed off the forum, what I think Madden has got wrong is the CBs. Watching San Diego against Oakland last night, and Baltimore against Pittsburgh the week before, I couldn't help think that when a WR gets open, it's remarkably similar to Madden (or Madden models this remarkably well). But in tight situations, in real life the CBs pull off some spectacular jumps to swat the ball away which you barely see in Madden.

The only time this happens in Madden is when the ball gets thrown and there are 3 or 4 defenders all milling around where the ball will land. If they only tweaked the algorithm that calculates whether the secondaries actually have the speed, the jumping ability to make a play, I think the pass game would be a lot more realistic.

I will not flame you at all. You are 10000% correct. It's like they gave the WR's the ability to jump for balls, and get there two feet in bounds, while the CB's just watch it go right to them. The WR's in this game aren't the problem, it's the reaction from the CB's that is. Have you ever seen a sideline catch by a CB in Madden? It's like the WR's can make a catch anywhere, but CB's are limited to jumping straight up, swatting high balls, or making the over-the-shoulder catch. In order for the defense to be balanced, they need to have the CB's have the same qualities as a WR's, but with much worse hands. Also, another annoyance is seeing the WR's near the sideline go for the one handed catch and having it hit their shoulder. But, they could have had a 2 handed catch and caught it. There just is no user control in that. Which goes back to what I was saying. Also, a huge unrealistic element is seeing the football go through the bodies, and into the WR's hands like a magnet. In order for this game to go to the next level, these problems need to be straightened out. For this being the year of gameplay, they already should have been.

[craxus]

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I don't know here. since the patch with most teams you can man up and press with no problems. The linebackers are again doing the doing their best super Mario impressions. In fact the game seems identical to last years now, except if you know how to wiggle the stick a bit you can run right threw the defense because they go into direction change animations.

[mm boost]

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Does everyone on here utilize the LB swat button (360 here)?? Until just a few weeks ago, I never used the user swat button and it was always 300-400 yard passing games, torched all over the field. After I learned to use this button and my timing, I am making some huge swatted ball plays. There are still some nice catches made on me, but I knock down a hell of a lot more passes than I used to. I played Aaron Rodgers last night on Playmaker's sliders with my Boys, and he had just 230 yards passing, and this is 15 minute quarters. I seem to have a slightly harder time against the run than I do the pass, but overall, my games play close to real life. I think Madden is pretty good this year.

[Armor and Sword]

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The #1 problem I see in Madden defense is that DB's and LB's act as if their feet are stuck in the mud and for the life of me I flip out when i see CB's running with WR's and all of a sudden just stop dead in their tracks and let the WR get space behind them to make the catch. The momentum (Real time physics) is buggy. It is a great concept and i love it in the running game. But on defense it is costing me points. And the really frustrating part is I have the right defense called and my guys are in position to make the plays....but they just don't...they get stuck in the mud.

I am talking about online franchsie games (I will not play lobby games ever again).

Offline.....I have no deal breaker issues. Sliders and gameplans have really made this game a ton of fun and the best offline Madden game on this generations console (PS3).

Online is a major letdown.

[Segagendude]

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EA was aiming for the casual crowd this year. Casual crowds tend to like Arena Football-type scores, I guess.

[mikeacard]

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They need to even out the ratings for corners and WR's. Scrub WR's still get their speed rating in the correct range no matter how much they suck. Being a Jets fan i'll use Drew Coleman as an example of what I am getting at. Coleman doesn't have great coverage skills but he is very athletic and very fast. In madden he has an 82 speed so he is gonna get beat buy even the worst WR on a drag route because scrub WR's get their speed ratings in the high 80's and low 90's.


Look at the depth charts of all the teams. Almost every team has at least one or two WR's that are rated 80+ with 85+ speed. Guys that are rated lower will still keep the 85+ speed while seeing their other attributes drop. The problem in Madden is that speed still kills so when every team has 3-4 WR's with 85+ speed and at most 2 corners that are capable of keeping up you have a recipe for a dominant passing game like we see in madden.

[Gordy748]

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I don't know here. since the patch with most teams you can man up and press with no problems. The linebackers are again doing the doing their best super Mario impressions. In fact the game seems identical to last years now, except if you know how to wiggle the stick a bit you can run right threw the defense because they go into direction change animations.

I've found on plays where the cpu is definitely going to go long that backing off is the answer. If I press a 4 wide set at least one will break through and I'm left with a safety against a WR...

[vikingsfan1]

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It really sucks in the 4th quarter. CPU light you up. CB stop covering WR in close 4th quarter game. That what I have observed.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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I will not flame you at all. You are 10000% correct. It's like they gave the WR's the ability to jump for balls, and get there two feet in bounds, while the CB's just watch it go right to them. The WR's in this game aren't the problem, it's the reaction from the CB's that is. Have you ever seen a sideline catch by a CB in Madden? It's like the WR's can make a catch anywhere, but CB's are limited to jumping straight up, swatting high balls, or making the over-the-shoulder catch. In order for the defense to be balanced, they need to have the CB's have the same qualities as a WR's, but with much worse hands. Also, another annoyance is seeing the WR's near the sideline go for the one handed catch and having it hit their shoulder. But, they could have had a 2 handed catch and caught it. There just is no user control in that. Which goes back to what I was saying. Also, a huge unrealistic element is seeing the football go through the bodies, and into the WR's hands like a magnet. In order for this game to go to the next level, these problems need to be straightened out. For this being the year of gameplay, they already should have been.

The only thing I disagree with is the statement you made about DB's to have much worse hands than the WR's.

This is a big no no. Db's can catch the ball, and I see way more catches by the DB's, and Lb's then I see drops. When the ball is thrown where they can make a catch. They usually do a high percentage of the time.

Why do some many think that the defense should drop a lot of interceptions? This is one thing I wish Madden adjusted. The drops DB's and LB's make when the ball is thrown right into their hands.

You should pay for making a bad pass.