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  • Phobia
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2008
    • 11623

    #1

    Community Feedback for Fight Night Champion


    OK guys,

    I Wanted to give the crew here at OS the heads up. I am heading out to the community day event in Vancouver to speak for you all. Most of you guys know Money99 and ShakyR were at last year's event.

    Granted I am more of a MMA base, but I know my share about boxing also. Not necessarily on a technical level as ShakyR or Money though. With that said I want to get you guys to put down the most glaring issues you want mentioned or looked into.

    I have already been going through the issues from here and gathering a list of what I want to check on and speak about. I also have my own issues with the game I want addressed so I will be speaking about those also.

    First of all I HATE the counter window. I think the game needs to flow smoothly and reflect the game play in the animations of the fighter. Not some gamey flash pause.

    I also want to see a great usage of speed of hands and stamina reworked. You watch a game of FN4 and then watch a real fight. Real fight you have guys throwing lighting quick 3 or 4 punches (depending on weight division) but you also see a progressive slow down of each punch. In FN4, the punches are slow and stamina needs a complete retooling.

    It works from a technical level but I don't think it correctly portrays the fight game. Do i know the solution of it? Not really, but I want to see something much different than these bars. We are in a age where health bars and stamina bars should NOT be needed or used. There is zero reason why they can't add 1000 animations to cover different aspect to relay to the user what is happening to your fighter.

    No different than NBA 2k11 having some of the best animations that make the gameplay truly look like a broad cast. This is the biggest issue with EA sports titles. Lack of animations or instead tried to be made up for with gamey additions such as the low blow, flash window, clinch, etc.

    So with all that said. What I ask from you is to give me whatever info you want relayed to the people at EA. Guys who know me, know I am very passionate about simulation in my video games. I will do my best to represent you guys in the best possible way. So help me, so i can help you.

    Key things I want to see if its been changed.

    1) Camera
    2) Stamina system
    3) On screen icons
    4) animations
    5) Way more variety in knock downs. WAY WAY to many straight KO's in FN4
    6) Better foot work
    7) Better combo system and penalty for throwing non linking combos(slowed load up times and delivery)
    8) Presentation presentation presentation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    9) Fight likeness. Fighters should be fighting like their real life counter part.

    Also what are your point of view on a camera view similar to EA MMA. I have always hated the extreme close up view of FN3&4. Granted I know boxing is a waste up sport in the sense you don't use your feet to attack. But the foot work is extremely important and I would LOVE to see different foot work for different fighters such as Muhammad Ali's footwork or the slow strut in like Tony. This would help in the realism factor of movement.

    I tend to favor the Victorious Boxers camera view. I like a slightly pulled out view to see the ring, action, and complete boxer. What are your views on this as a community?
    Last edited by Phobia; 10-25-2010, 01:57 PM.
  • Money99
    Hall Of Fame
    • Sep 2002
    • 12695

    #2
    Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

    Have fun Phobia and represent well!

    For me, I'd love to see you address the following issues:

    1. More effective jabs.
    2. Ratings for every punch.
    3. More pop to the crosses.
    4. Stamina for everything from punches to clinching to sway, bobs and weaves.
    5. Offline career mode. I really want to see where they've gone with this. I'd love to see a lot more realistic training, diets, injuries and out-of-ring decisions such as managers, promoters, running a stable of fighters, etc.

    Again, congrats on the invite and have a fun time! Enjoy the game!

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    • Steve_OS
      Editor-in-Chief
      • Jul 2002
      • 33863

      #3
      Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

      Have fun out there Phobia!

      Bring back as much as you can.
      Steve Noah
      Editor-in-Chief
      http://www.operationsports.com
      Follow me on Twitter

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      • Complex
        MVP
        • Oct 2005
        • 2494

        #4
        Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

        Wonderful news. I would like to hear as much new information about career mode as possible
        Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/complex219

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        • phillyfan23
          MVP
          • Feb 2005
          • 2319

          #5
          Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

          hey PHOBIA

          just check one thing from me....

          last year the crosses were way underpowered, even when using a fighter whose money punch is the cross.

          Wladimir klitschko and pacquiao's crosses are their go to weapons. But instead, the only way to reallhy hurt your opponents are thru hooks and uppercuts....if you're using Mike Tyson, this is the way it's supposed to be, but when you use Pacquiao, his left straight should ALWAYS be his most devastating punch eventhough he has KO power in his hooks and uppercuts.

          If this is fixed, everything else is gravy.....

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          • BezO
            MVP
            • Jul 2004
            • 4414

            #6
            Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

            Originally posted by Phobia
            Key things I want to see if its been changed.

            1) Camera
            2) Stamina system
            3) On screen icons
            4) animations
            5) Way more variety in knock downs. WAY WAY to many straight KO's in FN4
            6) Better foot work
            7) Better combo system and penalty for throwing non linking combos(slowed load up times and delivery)
            8) Presentation presentation presentation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            9) Fight likeness. Fighters should be fighting like their real life counter part.

            Also what are your point of view on a camera view similar to EA MMA. I have always hated the extreme close up view of FN3&4. Granted I know boxing is a waste up sport in the sense you don't use your feet to attack. But the foot work is extremely important and I would LOVE to see different foot work for different fighters such as Muhammad Ali's footwork or the slow strut in like Tony. This would help in the realism factor of movement.

            I tend to favor the Victorious Boxers camera view. I like a slightly pulled out view to see the ring, action, and complete boxer. What are your views on this as a community?
            Nice list! Hopefully we get what we want. Some specifics...

            Camera - I too like a pulled back view so I can see the boxers, but I also want it to be stationary. I want to see the boxers move around the ring, not the camera move around the boxers.

            On Screen Icons - We need options to turn everything off. If it doesn't appear on Showtime, HBO, PPV, an option to turn it off would be great. We should be able to see fatigue & damange by way of graphics any way.
            Shout out to The Watcher! Where you at bruh?

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            • TDKing
              MVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 1845

              #7
              Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

              I'll let you guys handle all the tech boxing points. My issue is the same issue I have with other EA Games. I want to be able to have an Online Multiplayer PRIVATE career mode. Similar to NCAA online Dynasty mode.

              Global = Cheesers, Private = Friends

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              • SHAKYR
                MVP
                • Nov 2003
                • 1795

                #8
                Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                I want realism, presentation, details to the sport of boxing, depth, total customization, tendencies, abilities, arm fatigue, options, boxers shold fht like who hy should be, unlimited CAB slots, and a detail CAB Mode.
                Poe is an advocate for realistic boxing videogames.

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                • Pappy Knuckles
                  LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 15966

                  #9
                  Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                  Have fun in Vancouver. I had a good time when I was up there. Beautiful city.

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                  • Complex
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2494

                    #10
                    Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                    I don't want the jab of Lennox Lewis to look like the jab of Pernell Whitaker.
                    Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/complex219

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                    • statum71
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1985

                      #11
                      Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                      I'm glad you mentioned presentation.

                      Please hammer this home. I don't care how much guys in the Madden community seem to sweep it aside...presentation is HUGE!!!! Thats what makes MLB The Show and NBA 2K11 so great.

                      And it would be nice to have a regular presentation like ESPN Friday Nihgt Fights. And then a PPV presentation. Kinda like UFC 2010 has two levels.

                      One more thing....Can you ask about getting title matches in exhibition this time? I'm not a Career Mode player so I never get to see championship matches. Or at least, give us the ability to play ANY match we want in Career mode.
                      The Lord is my shepard.

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                      • TheCreep
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 1792

                        #12
                        Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                        Am I late to the show? Did he leave yet

                        1. If you could, inquire about bringing the static camera back. The same thing you mentioned actually. It was in FN3 but was removed from 4. Thats a good camera view, gives you the feel like you're watching a boxing match on the tube. Same camera as EA MMA actually.

                        2. Inquire about the implementation of actual quick combo punches. As of now the punches are very slow compared to actual fights.

                        3. Please try to make sure they DONT remove the option to have your CABs show up in career mode. EA has a penchant for taking things out (static camera from Rnd3 anyone?) Would also like the option to watch the CPU bouts like fight cards or something.

                        Thanks. Enjoy the trip.

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                        • JohnDoe8865
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 9607

                          #13
                          Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                          Please keep CABS in Career mode.
                          I'm very much in favor of a camera pulled farther out.
                          Career mode offline. Any details... Please let them know we want serious depth.
                          Presentation can't be said enough time. Full ring entrances. More atmosphere. Better crowds.
                          Create a Title, is it a possibility?
                          More options for CABs and plz give us a way to unlock all of the gear right away.
                          Stamina system needs a major overhaul. I dont even know where to start.
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                          • Phobia
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 11623

                            #14
                            Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                            Originally posted by Money99
                            Have fun Phobia and represent well!

                            For me, I'd love to see you address the following issues:

                            1. More effective jabs.
                            2. Ratings for every punch.
                            3. More pop to the crosses.
                            4. Stamina for everything from punches to clinching to sway, bobs and weaves.
                            5. Offline career mode. I really want to see where they've gone with this. I'd love to see a lot more realistic training, diets, injuries and out-of-ring decisions such as managers, promoters, running a stable of fighters, etc.

                            Again, congrats on the invite and have a fun time! Enjoy the game!
                            Thanks Money, I can't wait should be a blast.

                            Originally posted by Steve_OS
                            Have fun out there Phobia!

                            Bring back as much as you can.
                            Will do Steve, got the camera ready. Detailed trip log with pictures will follow when I return.

                            Originally posted by SHAKYR
                            I want realism, presentation, details to the sport of boxing, depth, total customization, tendencies, abilities, arm fatigue, options, boxers shold fht like who hy should be, unlimited CAB slots, and a detail CAB Mode.
                            I got your PM's shakyr and will go over many of these issues.

                            Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
                            Have fun in Vancouver. I had a good time when I was up there. Beautiful city.
                            Yea Pappy it should be tight. Never been but heard it is really beautiful.
                            Originally posted by statum71
                            I'm glad you mentioned presentation.

                            Please hammer this home. I don't care how much guys in the Madden community seem to sweep it aside...presentation is HUGE!!!! Thats what makes MLB The Show and NBA 2K11 so great.

                            And it would be nice to have a regular presentation like ESPN Friday Nihgt Fights. And then a PPV presentation. Kinda like UFC 2010 has two levels.

                            One more thing....Can you ask about getting title matches in exhibition this time? I'm not a Career Mode player so I never get to see championship matches. Or at least, give us the ability to play ANY match we want in Career mode.
                            Yea Statum this is one of my big areas. I am a huge 2k fan in general. Mainly because their presentation is pretty much always top notch. NBA2k11 really showed how blurring the line between real life and video game is possible. All our popular sports franchises should be at this level with no problem right now. Yet very few are. Copy the TV camera angles, camera cuts, fake commercials ala NBA2k11, and represent them in the game the same way they appear on TV. I don't understand why developers can't get this right. Should not be much harder than contacting the TV stations such as ESPN.

                            But anyway, I could go into that for a while. I will be pushing presentation hard. With gameplay being #1.

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                            • Phobia
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 11623

                              #15
                              Re: Community feedback for FN Champions

                              First post updated with new screen shot of Champion
                              Last edited by Phobia; 10-25-2010, 03:22 PM.

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