[youvalss]

All I'm saying is that another title with the same engine (or whatever you want to call it) is going down. Not because the graphics are that bad or the most important thing, but because the game has had pretty much the same graphics since 2K9, with some lighting upgrades and some tweaks to the player models.

If 2K wants to sell another 2 million coppies next year, they must upgrade the game. It's pretty much now or never. We already know how great 2K is with the little things and the gameplay, but in my opinion 2K11 is at the highest point they can get without a real upgrade to the engine.

2K12 with more tweaks to the gameplay/lighting/Association/challenges etc., in my opinion, is ok - but not for $60. After 2K11, it's going to take much more than that.