Is this considered a cheese tactic?

[hotdoggin7687]

When I'm playing online and I'm facing very quick guards that get to the rim real easy (i.e. Derrick Rose) I often stick to playing off ball defense with my center. I'll normally shadow the side of the rim where said player is. I'll keep track of where the opposing center is relative to the hoop but I'll normally have myself available for help defense.

Anyway, I'm asking because I recently got called out for doing this. The person i was playing quit 10secs for I would have gotten the win (hate it when they do that!) and he sent me a message later saying how cheap that tactic was...

What do you guys think?

[nbaman1]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Yeah it requires skill to guard on ball and off ball it doesn't it's not really a cheese tactic but it's not realistic

[AMB]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I think it is...

It cuts of all lanes to the basket while usually the center isn't far away so there is no risk at all. Some of my friends on 2k10 did this tactic a lot in online games. I figured out quickly that if i didn't do the same thing i was going to lose. It does make for some boring games of shot blocking back and fourth.

[xRobertitox]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Personally, I love when people decide to use their center on defense. It always leave someone open. Always. Either my center moves away and the PF slides over to him, etc.

I have NO problem taking the cpu off the dribble, especially with D. Rose for the mid-range jump shot.

And once I'm in the paint, they're always going to go for the pump fake.

[Mos1ted]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I wouldn't consider that cheese in my opinion. To me, cheese is using an exploit in the game's programming to gain an advantage. All you're doing is playing to your strengths. You know that you aren't able to to guard them one on one versus a fast PG, so rather than stand there and get beat to the basket all day, you control an off ball defender instead to send help. The help defense on this game can be hit or miss, so why complain if a guy decides to take this aspect of defense into his own hand?

Cheese would be taking a fast PG and continuously try to force it to the hoop on every possession instead of working the ball around on offense. How is it fair for a user to be able to do this every possession but the other user can't deploy a tactic to counterattack?

[AiRJorDan23]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

No it's not a cheese if ur opponent was smart he would of run some pick n rolls which will make u play defense, so if you're helping on the PG during the pick n rolls the guy you're playing off ball D against will slip to the basket.... or if u choose not to help the PG will get a easy mid range jumper. Simple basketball........ Quitting 10 sec in a game lame.

[BATMON]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I usually play off- defense. Ill let my better perimeter defender guard whomever superstar they want to score w/.
That's just basketball. Defending the basket isnt some trick.
Now does it work - that's another story.

[tomzenns]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Yeah it requires skill to guard on ball and off ball it doesn't it's not really a cheese tactic but it's not realistic

How is it not realistic? Its like playing real basketball. Instead of checking the ball you provide help support for when those dangerous guards when the attack the hoop.

Play to win the game. Not to what you, or other people, think is "Sim". If that is how you prevent D. Rose from putting up 35 in a game...do it.

Enough with these SIM rules already.

[BezO]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Cheese? No.

Like playing the CPU? Yes.

Would I play you knowing you were going to play like that? No.

But I don't play online.

[Phins86]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

How is it not realistic? Its like playing real basketball. Instead of checking the ball you provide help support for when those dangerous guards when the attack the hoop.

Play to win the game. Not to what you, or other people, think is "Sim". If that is how you prevent D. Rose from putting up 35 in a game...do it.

Enough with these SIM rules already.

Agreed. Watch an Orlando Magic game or a Chicago Bulls game and you'll see Howard and Noah HARDLY ever guard they're man. Centers are in there to contest layups at the basket, that's their main job IMO. Why do you think the Magic and Bulls are two of the best defenses in the league? Because they have a good big man that can contest or block any layup attempt.

It's definitely NOT cheese to control your center. The guy you were playing was probably just pissed that he wasn't able to do a million crossovers to get dunks at the basket whenever he wanted. HE sounds like the cheeser to me.

[jeebs9]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I agree with everyone in this thread....haha I think I've played vs both types of styles online. And really have a problem (or even notice after a while). My whole thing is that I want to play vs YOU. If I crossover the defender and he fall on the floor. I want it to be "I did that to you". I can understand trying to protect the paint. I can understand switching off from time to time. To protect the basket. Get your player to go under a screen. Thats totally understandable to me. But just camping out in the lane like it was a camping trip is sort of boring. If I wanted to play the CPU. I would just play one of the many offline modes 2k offers.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Off ball D just leads to a slippery slope very quickly...

sure, your intentions may by SIM...but the temptation will always be there to see how far you can stretch it, since there is no punishment for gambling with a off ball big man.

[BATMON]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Trying to guard Rose w/ Jeremy Lin or some role player is suicide.
Ill agree camping is boring and not a sound tactic, but trying to switch to the ball everytime on defense is silly. Its a team sport - not one on one.

[RawkerOne]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I agree with everyone in this thread....haha I think I've played vs both types of styles online. And really have a problem (or even notice after a while). My whole thing is that I want to play vs YOU. If I crossover the defender and he fall on the floor. I want it to be "I did that to you". I can understand trying to protect the paint. I can understand switching off from time to time. To protect the basket. Get your player to go under a screen. Thats totally understandable to me. But just camping out in the lane like it was a camping trip is sort of boring. If I wanted to play the CPU. I would just play one of the many offline modes 2k offers.

you sound like you'd rather play one on one with someone, not 5 on 5. is it's a team game, when online i want my team to have the best team defense to stop my opponents team. i play c/pf all the time because the AI's weak side rotations/ shot blocking is horrendous. online you do what you have to do, sometimes i'll take an off guard and double team a star player.

[jeebs9]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

you sound like you'd rather play one on one with someone, not 5 on 5. is it's a team game, when online i want my team to have the best team defense to stop my opponents team. i play c/pf all the time because the AI's weak side rotations/ shot blocking is horrendous. online you do what you have to do, sometimes i'll take an off guard and double team a star player.

And you didn't read in-between the lines my friend. I don't mind the occasionally switch off and float around. Especially on rotations. In my league I preach to my memebers to switch off and make sure their defense is in a set postion. So that means on a pick and roll. If you have to switch into a guy off the ball to pick up on the roll or man or to hegde the ball handlers. By all means do so. If your defense isn't in a "set" postion do whatever it takes to get them back into a "set" postion. But once there are in a set postion get back to the ball. Just don't sit there and wonder around with the center looking to steal every pass made. Or playing a zone defense and chilling out with the center in and out of the paint to avoid a 3 second violation. You complain about rotating defense. The best person at playing defense should be you. Not the CPU. I play human being 98% of the time. I play humans because I want to play you. I'm not one of those cheesy *******s who dribble back forth aimlessly trying to lose you because evetually you will choose the wrong the direction and free me for the open dunk. Playing on ball defense is not hard in this game. In 2k9 and 2k10 I could say yea off ball defense > on ball defense. But this year there is so much contact between the ball handler and defender. There no real reason to be sitting back wait for someone to get by. To stop a connection between Point A to Point B. Off Point A and there will no worry about Point B. But if for some reason stopping point A plan doesn't work. By all means change into Point B.


But I return back to my whole thing. I came online or you came over to my house to play me. Not me vs the CPU.